Today is the day and people will know their fate. I cant wait to see some of those cutting-room floor bottles pictured here.

Man that looks sharp! I like all the Blair’s reserves as do most I am sure though!

OK someone is teasing me with that bottle. The only 2 bottles for me better than that one are #1 of course, and #40 but #44 ohh man I could eat that one if it were not so HOT!

I would like to know what inspired him to start drizzling the wax over top the bottles like that?

I dont think you will see these on ebay!!! These are some bad ass bottles.

Very nice indeed.

Scott on 3/13/2006 at 8:23 am said:

I dont think you will see these on ebay!!! These are some bad ass bottles.

If they were on ebay, they would go for a ton. What was the price at the show?

$100

A definite bargain!

Once I get out of the “I just bought a house and im broke” stage I can go back into the full on hot sauce buying again. Im almost recovered from getting the house but not quite yet. I could just taste that N-59 in my hands but just could not get it.

Maybe the cutting room floor contest will bring me good news. Did I mention that Blair is the man!!!!! Ok, im done sucking up now.

Hey Scott, whatever it takes:). Good luck!

The N-59 is truly amazing! I think it’s by far the coolest bottle I’ve seen to date. It blows away the holiday and the B-99 in my book. Even though I have love for those as well, of course!

Im on my way to Tijuana Flats for some Burritos.

Good morning everyone! Not for nothing I like the N59 but any news about the Cutting room floor? It was an agonizing night.

Scott on 3/13/2006 at 8:59 am said:

Once I get out of the “I just bought a house and im broke” stage I can go back into the full on hot sauce buying again. Im almost recovered from getting the house but not quite yet. I could just taste that N-59 in my hands but just could not get it.

Scott- if it makes you feel any better, I’m also in the “I just bought a house and I’m broke” stage. It’s not much fun yet, and it definately put a damper on my hot sauce collecting. If not for this house, I surely would have been in NM in line for a N-59.

Mad_Reilly on 3/13/2006 at 11:09 am said:

Good morning everyone! Not for nothing I like the N59 but any news about the Cutting room floor? It was an agonizing night.

I wonder if they are locked behind closed doors as we speak?
We should have sent someone over (to be a reporter) to let us know of any new developments as they happen.

I know but I’m not telling.

#37

No news on extremefood.com. MSK, How the hell are ya?

I got into it with my wife over hot sauce at the show. I told her Look I sold my bike for our wedding now the only thing I do is hot sauce and have a few beers. Too bad. Serriously I completly blew the bank on NM. I’m in the same boat lads

I collect all my change on a daily basis and put it into a big jar, every 2 or 3 months I cash it in and put into my “Hot Sauce” Checking Account. This allows me to save money for the trip and gives me hot sauce money without flipping the wife out to bad. This year however, I spent to much and got out the old credit card which my wifey has since confiscated. Whats a Hot Sauce Collector to do??? Guesse I’ll have to start walking the streets for cans.

And you guys thought last night was agonizing…Today is the worst part of it all. Its like waiting for the bomb to drop. You’re either going to survive the blast and come out king of the mountian, or be laid to waste by the blast of disapointment…Have a nice day all

With only 59 produced and all selling at the show, we should see a healthy response to this thread.

Morning Reilly….In my humble opinion, there’s only one way to relieve the pressure of money within a marriage. If both of you work, each handles their own money/account. Spiltting the bills proportionately is a must. If a bill zeros out on either side…readjust. The rest is yours to spend as you see fit. Works beautifully for us.

Many a spouse are gunning for me now

This has worked for us as well, split the bills 50/50, split extra expenditures ie…X-Mas and B-days 50/50, and the rest gets split 50/50, 1/2 to a savings account and the other half split between us for ourselves. Money does not have to be a arguable factor in a marriage if you budget well and plan accordingly.

ryan on 3/13/2006 at 12:17 pm said:

And you guys thought last night was agonizing…Today is the worst part of it all. Its like waiting for the bomb to drop. You’re either going to survive the blast and come out king of the mountian, or be laid to waste by the blast of disapointment…Have a nice day all

you sweating over there ryan?

since you are 3 hours behind, maybe we (east coast) should withold the “winning” news from you (west coast) until 3 hours after its announced…lol

I need some advice please, it is kind of time sensitive.
Has anyone heard of the following Hot Sauces:
Capital Punishment
Last Rights
King Tut & a Queen Neffertity
those 4 sauces I have the opportunity to pick up.
Are they a good addition to a collector bottle set of sauces? Old rare discontinued?
etc I have never heard of any of them.

Thanks for any and all help

Damn I hate using this computer it uses my old user name.

pmac, I have heard of Capital Punishment and Last Rights.
thats all I can really offer though without doing some research.

Beautiful reserve.

Sniff.

Yeah I would research it but I am here at work and I am being ribbed too much about the purchase I am making today. Co-Workers do not understand our journey

Looks good. You can see the white in the purple better in these pics

I’ve heard of the Capital Punishment and Last Rights as well. I actually think i have a bottle somewhere. I don’t think they make it anymore. I’ll check at home tonight

pmac on 3/13/2006 at 1:01 pm said:

Damn I hate using this computer it uses my old user name.

Then clear your cookies in your browser - should get rid of the info (PLUS ALL OTHERS…. just to let you know). You can also try and locate the cookie manually and delete it.

Capital Punishment is available at a few stores, but often comes up out of stock.

huvason yeah thanks for the info i appreciate it, but i just kept forgetting to change the name in the NAME field just my dumnumness

Capital Punishment came out of Lancaster, PA (year unknown, 2001?) under the company name of “Fire Me”. I have no idea if they actually manufactured the sauce, had it co-packed or was just the distributer. None the less, Cheffy is correct, it’s still available in some stores but “Out of Stock” is common.

With many sauces having sub-levels of production and/or collaboration between companies, I find it mind numbing to even think about tracing it out.

Nick, I have N59 #19

WE JUST TOOK A BREAK FROM JUDGING….We have 371 Real entries on over 2500 pieces of paper.(We are not viewing from the small samples online)……It is hearing 6 people fight over who should win 5 spots, It is now down to 17 Chiliheads and I think all are WINNERS (I mean 371) …..Oh Man , anyway I wanted to drop a quick note to break my thoughts………….Feel Alive Blair

BLAIR on 3/13/2006 at 2:36 pm said:

WE JUST TOOK A BREAK FROM JUDGING….We have 371 Real entries on over 2500 pieces of paper.(We are not viewing from the small samples online)……It is hearing 6 people fight over who should win 5 spots, It is now down to 17 Chiliheads and I think all are WINNERS (I mean 371) …..Oh Man , anyway I wanted to drop a quick note to break my thoughts………….Feel Alive Blair

I wonder if we will ever know who the 17 were. I am not sure if I would want to. You know, so close but yet so far….:-)

I’m so nervous now. wow this is mind wrecking

I don’t really think anyone would want to know they were in 17th place/
what could you do? I would hang myself

Thats what I meant Henry. At least you would know you made it that far, or do you? I know, this isnt a beauty pagent

Maybe Blair will suprise those (not the top 5)by giving them something special. You never know.

At least you know they are actually taking the time to read and scrutinize them, they could have just throw the names in a hat.

You OK MAD???

Blair, when you get done and see this, thanks for the update. Don’t strain your eyes too much, we need you to be able to see what you’re doing

Kind of flippin out. Who ever gets picked, hats off to you! It’s some achievement. And just to throw in a plug, besides myslef :), I hope eman is up there in the pack. He has some collection!

I can’t even be my cynical self with this thread, I have empathy, EMPATHY I TELL YOU! ‘Tis unlike Myself to shed emotion, I need a beer.

Otherwise I think I’m going to jump out a window. My wife just called me to give me an update about her Dr. appiontment today (#2 on the way - they call it Irish twins). I just saw the post and I told her I have to call her back when she was in mid sentence. This suppense is killing me. This is worse than the Holiday/B-99 fiasco

LOL @ Reilly! Take two shots of Crown and a nap and in a few hours it’ll all be over….LOL

Creator, I second that. I think I going to cut out of here early and hit the local

Jamisons my brother! MSK I’ll tell you this if I understood it right, the lucky few are getting a few bottles (am I crazy or did I read it right?) Well if I’m one of the lucky ones, you got a bottle.

Does anyone know where the winners will be posted first? I’m dying here!!

Reilly……you got a bottle

Bottle of what…LOL

Mad_Reilly on 3/13/2006 at 3:13 pm said:

Kind of flippin out. Who ever gets picked, hats off to you! It’s some achievement. And just to throw in a plug, besides myslef :), I hope eman is up there in the pack. He has some collection!

Remember MAD. The contest had 2 parts to it. It wasnt just based on what you owned.

Imagine if you checked your e-mail and there was a letter from Blair?
And after your shaking hand managed to click the mouse, it said you didnt make the cut but thanks for entering.

I just want to say that whoever the winners are, they will be very well deserving, some of the collections pictured are simply amazing. You can tell by the countless posts on the subject that we all share a passion for what we do. I think the Blair’s bunch will do us justice and however it falls and after the dust settles the majority will be satisfied (some a little more then others) in how it all played out. It’s going to be something we all remember for a very long time, I am just glad to be apart of it.

OK Chris…You may have just managed to push Reilly off the ledge of his 2nd story window!

I’m shot I’m hitting the bar. MSK I’ll tell you what, 2 bottles - 1 hot sauce 1 Jamisons

And MSK I’m on the 36 floor. One big splat

You guys are hillarious LOL!
It’s like watching/listening to my Little Hot sauce hotties Kids at Christmas I think it is great PLEASE do not misinterperet my letter here. It is good to see something that gets full grown adults all excited and hoping in anticipation.
I don’t stand a chance in hell. So I am not so excited. The biggest problem is even if i get an offer to buy, I probably cannot afford it. I had my pics and e-mail sent to Blair’s about 20 minutes after it arrived in my inbox. But I bet there were 100 others even faster than that!

Good luck to each and every one of you that entered, I really wish the best to you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MSK on 3/13/2006 at 3:46 pm said:

OK Chris…You may have just managed to push Reilly off the ledge of his 2nd story window!

Another man down!

MAD, dont do it!
eman already went down the other night with the old label beyond death bottle dangled in front of him…lol

I can’t take it anymore. The people in the office think i completly gone to hell. I submit - I’m on the beer! I got to turn off this thing before I go completly bonkers. My boss came over and was wondering “what the hell am I tapping so feaverishly for - I can’t possibly be work related”. When I told him I was on the HSB rying to find out about this contest. He shook his head and said “Reilly, you need professional help” So with that siad, I’m taking his advice and seeing the local professional (barman that is). My nerves are shot! If it’s not too late of a one I’ll be on later for the update Reilly Out

Paul #2 aka thepmac on 3/13/2006 at 12:59 pm said:

I need some advice please, it is kind of time sensitive.
Has anyone heard of the following Hot Sauces:
Capital Punishment
Last Rights
King Tut & a Queen Neffertity
those 4 sauces I have the opportunity to pick up.
Are they a good addition to a collector bottle set of sauces? Old rare discontinued?
etc I have never heard of any of them.

Thanks for any and all help

I have gone through several bottles of Capital Punishment back in the day. I wish I had bought a few extras but I wasnt collecting them just eating It was my first real hot sauce. Things have gotten so much hotter now though!

I am the pround owner of bottle number 8,
Blair’s N-59 Reserve!
Congrat’s to all others who own this ULTRA low production Reserve.

Mad_Reilly on 3/13/2006 at 4:26 pm said:

I can’t take it anymore. The people in the office think i completly gone to hell. I submit - I’m on the beer! I got to turn off this thing before I go completly bonkers. My boss came over and was wondering “what the hell am I tapping so feaverishly for - I can’t possibly be work related”. When I told him I was on the HSB rying to find out about this contest. He shook his head and said “Reilly, you need professional help” So with that siad, I’m taking his advice and seeing the local professional (barman that is). My nerves are shot! If it’s not too late of a one I’ll be on later for the update Reilly Out

Mad leave the beer n get on something stronger - as long as ur not driving back. lol. Tequila!!

Jeff - all I can do is dream. Maybe one day I might get near a reserve that low - just gota get to a show where Blair is now….

The Judges Have Spoken -Then Blair Really Spoke—It got Ugly–But We have our Winners—Will Announce Tonight!!!!!!!!!!!
From Blair’s site.

OK Now I am getting excited. I won’t win but I am excited to see who won. I have (as does everyone) my favourites and I have also opinions on who should win but they are meaningless
I want to know who to say congrats to!!!!!!!!!
(could not spell congradulate with confidence LOL so i just said congrats

This should be interesting to say the least…

good eye pmac.
Ill bet MAD is pacing (wherever he is) right about now!

Guess well will all be glued to the HSB tonight.

Did anyone write an acceptance speech yet?

To bad Blair didnt decide to something over the top (he already has, yes) but I meant like appear on Letterman or something to announce the winners. I wonder if we will see a “special breaking news bulletin” on the top TV stations tonight?…just trying to help ease all those pounding hearts with laughter.

OK, I’m either blind or stupid, I didn’t see anything on Blair’s site. Got a link?

hey guys, just catching up…brain is not functioning today as we all know what is to come

eman read your email I just sent you a very serious question!!!!!

Pmac…Did you propose?

LOL!
He might after reading it I dunno. But I am pretty sure he will be excited about it!

From extremefood:

“All my best to Every Single Chilihead who sent in their collection. You Guys and Gals are Amazing -7pm Est for u”

I feel like somebody has “the boys” in a vice right now and is s l o w l y turning the crank!!!

GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Woot! 30 minutes

Give me a sec pmac, am typing as fast as i can

Wow!!! This is really exciting!!!!

I have that stupid toon from final jeopardy playing in my head……..my wife is sitting here laughing at me

I still don’t see anything on extremefood.com, where on the site are these updates?

DK look under the sauces then the collector series then read the 3am caption

DK look at the main page where the description for the 3am should be

Got it, thanks pmac. I thought it must have been something like that, I looked at everything but the 3 AM

This is going to be a LONG fifteen minutes my friends. I haven’t been this excited about anything since the science fair judging in the 8th grade:) I don’t know how good my chances are - but I MUST KNOW!!

Ok, I am putting on the helmet now!

The Winners Range from a Cop who got his Force to use a stronger Pepper Spray because of 3 am Reserve to a Great man who got through Chemo because Death Sauce Made his Food taste good enough to keep down. Feel Alive to all of you Blair

Im all pumped up listening to some old METAL!!!!!!!!

Sweet, I read his entry and that was crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAM! im not a cop or have experienced cancer(nor do i ever want to)….only 8 more chances
(can you hear my teeth chattering?)

8 more chances? only 3 eman the next 5 are buy only, …oh yeah look who i am talking to LOL, like you would not but it in a heart beat hahahaha

woah…what is happening?

probably getting ready to post the winners? maybe

Ok…so who has refreshed at least 1000 times at extremefood already??

pmac on 3/13/2006 at 6:58 pm said:

8 more chances? only 3 eman the next 5 are buy only, …oh yeah look who i am talking to LOL, like you would not but it in a heart beat hahahaha

OOPS my bad guess I missed that post.

congratulations eman and the other nine - I’m going away to cry now!!!!!

Blair’s email is in!!

All 10 have gone so not even a chance to buy!!

pmac - did you see the results

Hey guys, just want to say congrats to all the winners. I read all of the entries on Blair’s site and they were all awesome collections and stories. Eman, Way to go bro! Not sure who all the other winners are (difference between screen names and real names) but congrats to you guys too. I’ll keep you posted when I get my set, what numbers and pics.

Ryan, bet you still don’t get a gold skull

I bet we get some good pictures too. I know if I won I would take so many pictures showing everyone I knew. It’ll be interesting to see just what ol Blair was cooking up back in the day! That was a good idea of his to keep this stuff around and give it all out. Props

I thought this was the N-59 thread….not the Cutting Room Floor thread. LOL.

N-59 #43

I am bummed…I saw Blair at the show, when he made it over to the Hot Shots booth…not sure if he was there to see John, from CaJohn’s…or was over just to say hi to the guys there…either way I didn’t get a chance to say hi to him…so..HI BLAIR!…I was busy helping my friends in the Brimstone Originals booth, nextdoor….

I did, however get an opportunity to snag N-59 #13

BTW, Paul #2…I have Last Rites and Capital Punishment in my collection…we used to sell both in the hot sauce shop I helped run

Oh…and I did see a B-99 on ebay two days ago…the auction is probably ending today…it was at $275 when I saw it.

Proud owner of N-59 bottle #29

mrseman on 3/13/2006 at 7:10 pm said:

pmac - did you see the results

Yeah I am a little late mrseman but i did see them i was a little off in my (what i thought were) facts.

eman on 3/13/2006 at 7:31 pm said:

Ryan, bet you still don’t get a gold skull

OUCH!

There are a lot of new items up for grabs on eBay right now. (yeah a few are mine, I have an opportunity for a rare item so I need to unload a couple less valuable/rare things to aquire it.

huvason on 3/16/2006 at 9:35 am said:

OUCH!

Double that

Hey pmac - which are yours? I’m in a buying mood - since my wife is already mad at me. Wait until she finds out that I NEED TWO DEFCON ZERO Batch #2’s

I finally read through all this thread (this was all going on while I was at work). Eman

eman on 3/13/2006 at 7:31 pm said:

Ryan, bet you still don’t get a gold skull

Thanks buddy, you’re a real pal I’ll have my day in the sun, you just wait

pmac - nice touch:
“Europe is dedicated to the HSBers …”

And how can expidited shipping be cheaper that standard:
US $15.00 Expedited Flat Rate Shipping Service United States only
US $25.00 Standard Flat Rate Shipping Service United States only

I do need a 16 million reserve though!

pmac on 3/16/2006 at 9:43 am said:

There are a lot of new items up for grabs on eBay right now. (yeah a few are mine, I have an opportunity for a rare item so I need to unload a couple less valuable/rare things to aquire it.

I think it’s ridiculous that this”filaworks” guy on Ebay is selling his THIRD B-99 and a Holiday reserve. No wonder people have so much trouble getting in on these things when Blair sells them! This guy’s probably got about 10 of them.

Adam, that has been a topic of much debate here on the HSB. We refer to these people as brokers rather than collectors. They buy up a whole bunch for the soul purpose of selling them and extreme inflated prices for profit. Its one thing to start ar 0.99 and let the bidders decide how much its going to go for, but to start the bidding at an inflated price is just bad juju. Problem is, there are people that will pay these prices so it will never stop. Its impossible for Blair to tell who is getting more than one in the end. He can only rely on the names and addresses that people submit when ordering. These brokers probably have their wife/girlfriend, kids, employees, friends buy extra ones so he can sell them on ebay. If its any consolation, those of us that are honest and are told 1 per customer, only get 1. I for one never sell my sauces, and have no intention of doing so. Be patient, eventually you’ll be able to score a rare one for less than what you normally see them go for…I’ve done it a couple times already, just need to wait.

However, on the flip side, some people use them as barter to fill in holes in their collections. If I was able to get 10 B-99’s I would, but would not resell them, I would use them for trade only. This way 2 people are happy, not monetarily, but as a collector. I don’t agree with people acquiring a bunch of a limited release for monetary gain only, it’s kind of Machiavellian (sp?).

huvason on 3/16/2006 at 10:21 am said:

pmac - nice touch:
“Europe is dedicated to the HSBers …”

And how can expidited shipping be cheaper that standard:
US $15.00 Expedited Flat Rate Shipping Service United States only
US $25.00 Standard Flat Rate Shipping Service United States only

I do need a 16 million reserve though!

(This is just to explaiun why my shipping options are always screwed up) I have the wrong options available to me when I use ebay.com as I am in Canada, but I have found that when i use ebay.ca the items do not showw up for some reason to everyone if they do not have worldwide search on it so I use the .com shipping options and i make due. I do it the fastest way possible for that $ if it costs me a couple bucs extra i eat it.

I have the worst key board it makes typos for me … thats my excuse and I am sticking to it!

pmac on 3/16/2006 at 12:12 pm said:

I have the worst key board it makes typos for me … thats my excuse and I am sticking to it!

LOL I need to remember that one! It’s the keyboard!!!

I hear what you guys are saying, but I dont see a problem with selling a bottle for $ if that $ in turn gets used to buy more Hot Sauce. I understand there is a difference between a broker (who buys in quantity for a profit) and the regular chilehead who mainly buys/sells for his collection.
Trades are cool, but ultimatley a trade is very similar to a transation for money. say you buy a couple of 6ams. you only need one. you wait a year or so and offer to trade that to someone for a bottle they have that you want. Now you bought the 6am for $99, but now its worth say $200. So the bottle you would be trading for must be about equal to that $200 or you probably would not trade. So you are making a profit because at the onset, a $99 bottle would not trade against a $200 bottle. So it does look better to trade your bottles to others on the surface. I am simply pointing out that selling you bottles to obtain others is really not that different. either way, you are gaining a profit (in $ or value). selling, gives you more freedom, and you are not limited to finding someone to trade with.
I think the big issue that bothers most is the brokers. They buy many,, many bottles and then not everyone gets to buy one. Then, we all end up paying $ for them. The value of these bottles goes up along with the increased popularity of Hot Sauce Collecting. I dont think that will ever change.

I agree with you Chris K. I am not an any way against buying and selling bottles, I do it myself. But it’s always to get a sauce that I need, or just more sauces in general. I just don’t get how some people end up with so many. I remember recently someone selling a lot of ten 2005 halloween reserves. Now, only 299 exist in the world - should one person be able to buy 10(or more) of them?

Yeah….What he said!

I am in the unfortunate situation where I am caving and paying WAY TOO much (probably not too much, but I hate to do it) for a bottle that no one will offer up except through a reseller (I do not blame them, as I would not either) I have found with one. So I am biting the bullet to get a rare one. I hope it all works out!
Help a chilihead out buy my bottles

Adam2 on 3/16/2006 at 1:46 pm said:

I agree with you Chris K. I am not an any way against buying and selling bottles, I do it myself. But it’s always to get a sauce that I need, or just more sauces in general. I just don’t get how some people end up with so many. I remember recently someone selling a lot of ten 2005 halloween reserves. Now, only 299 exist in the world - should one person be able to buy 10(or more) of them?

Well, I dont think 1 person should get 10 out of 299. But as ryan said, there is no way to control this since they can use friends, family, etc. to order. Thats what I think is at the root of all of this. This usually isnt even an issue when there are 999 bottle released. Only when there are a couple of hundred or less. How to make it fair, I couldnt tell you. Blair tries, but he really doesnt know who is getting multiples when they all ship to different people. You can try to boycott the super high priced bottled for sale, but someone will usually buy it anyway.

what r u selling there pmac?

You guys make me almost me afraid to offer up my #5 6AM

16Million, LeMillion and 6AM

MSK on 3/16/2006 at 2:13 pm said:

You guys make me almost me afraid to offer up my #5 6AM

No need to fear there MSK. If it it’s in the interest in gaining more for your collection, go ahead!…we’ve got your back!

well that is one of the things I am doing is getting (hopefully) a low numbered 6AM. Not that low unfortunately

Woooa Pmac are you really selling that?

Yes its on eBay. go get um The prices are reasonable too only a 24 hour auction.

Selling which one MAD?

pmac… I wish I knew you were selling the 16mil reserve. I would have worked something out with you last week
My wife will KILL me if I get this one…. WOnder if I can sneak it by her?

Hmmm, perhaps you misunderstood. Most brokers, in my experience, are not just selling to complete a collection, they are doing it for sheer profit. I don’t have a problem with good ‘ol capitalism, but I would MUCH rather see someone trade for something they need, as this makes both people happy with a new item in their collection, and doesn’t sledgehammer your wallet at the same time. Buying a rare bottle makes you happy and sad at the same time (not to mention upsetting the spouse), especially if you have to overpay for it, while the broker just sits back amused that someone spent so much to acquire something. The barter system makes everyone happy, as both sides get to choose who they deal with, and can wait until the right deal comes along, and don’t have to worry about gutting a paycheck.

yeh that’s what I was going on about. Pmac you have extra of that?

I’m for the barter system as well. BELIEVE ME, I have spent some serious money to get some of the sauces I have. I’d say there’s some real happy brokers out there. I’m now going to try to get two of a limited reserve. One for the “collection” and one to trade later. That’s fair i guess. I always just buy one because I wan’t someone else to get a shot. But, now seeing how these go, I might as well load up. I think they call it a catch 22????

Hey CREATOR what’s the plans for tomorrow?

DEFCON Creator on 3/16/2006 at 2:31 pm said:

Hmmm, perhaps you misunderstood. Most brokers, in my experience, are not just selling to complete a collection, they are doing it for sheer profit. I don’t have a problem with good ‘ol capitalism, but I would MUCH rather see someone trade for something they need, as this makes both people happy with a new item in their collection, and doesn’t sledgehammer your wallet at the same time. Buying a rare bottle makes you happy and sad at the same time (not to mention upsetting the spouse), especially if you have to overpay for it, while the broker just sits back amused that someone spent so much to acquire something. The barter system makes everyone happy, as both sides get to choose who they deal with, and can wait until the right deal comes along, and don’t have to worry about gutting a paycheck.

You make an excellent point Creator - I would always rather trade, but unfortunately finding someone to trade with is much, much more difficult than finding someone to buy. Lots of people want to build collections but don’t have anything to trade. Everyone has to buy at some point. Ebay is the fastest and easiest way to go, and it’s only set to buy and sell. Now if there was something like ebay but for trading things only, that would be sweet!

Hey check this out

i wonder what hot sauce he was using?

Link. 

huvason on 3/16/2006 at 2:29 pm said:

pmac… I wish I knew you were selling the 16mil reserve. I would have worked something out with you last week
My wife will KILL me if I get this one…. WOnder if I can sneak it by her?

She doesnt look on HSB does she huvason?

Adam2 on 3/16/2006 at 2:39 pm said:

You make an excellent point Creator - I would always rather trade, but unfortunately finding someone to trade with is much, much more difficult than finding someone to buy. Lots of people want to build collections but don’t have anything to trade. Everyone has to buy at some point. Ebay is the fastest and easiest way to go, and it’s only set to buy and sell. Now if there was something like ebay but for trading things only, that would be sweet!

Also, if you are lucky enough to have most bottles in your collection, and only need say a Hallowenn 2004 (99 made). What would you be able to offer someone who would trade that. Because if they already have a Halloween 2004 chances are there isnt much else they would need.
If a collector has mostly everthing out there and has some duplicates, what could he trade for? it would be better for him to sell and reinvest that money back into his collection to but the new bottles as they come out. Cant really trade with Blair.

Mad_Reilly on 3/16/2006 at 2:31 pm said:

yeh that’s what I was going on about. Pmac you have extra of that?

Extra #5 nope but I am selling the 6am i have

The barter system in this case is a double edged sword. Not that I disagree with bartering, I too would much rather do that, but here is the part that still cuts deep…In order to trade, you have to have something the other wants. To get something the other wants (whether you had it before, or need to get it in order to get something better FOR it in trade) you have to spend money. Somewhere along the line, someone paid for something. In trading, sometimes you come out ahead, other times you don’t. Its all in the eye of the beholder. Its ok in my book to get a couple of something to help someone while helping yourself, but I don’t agree with buying a whole bunch robbing those with the funds to make the initial purchase of that opportunity. Take the 05 holiday reserve for example. I don’t have one, but say someone had 2 and was willing to trade. I don’t have anything to trade, but I did have the $100 to buy it when it went for sale from Blair. Now the person that has 2 has destroyed my ability to get one at an affordable price and am now forced to spened more than $100 to aquire the item that the holder of the holiday reserve is wanting. Brokering: the purchasing of a comodity for the soul purpose of exchanging said comodity for another (ie: money, or other items of equal or greater value) for the end result of gain. Some brokering may appear morally acceptable if conducted one way, but either way you do it, when under the microscope, its still brokering. This comment was not intended to offend anyone, place blame/point the finger, or any other form of negativity, just a simple statement of facts.

Rock on,
Ryan

chris k on 3/16/2006 at 2:48 pm said:

She doesnt look on HSB does she huvason?

NO but she’ll see the bank statement! I’ll watch the auction. She’s already giving me crap about stuff I got\getting this week anyway …. blah blah blah the mailman has another box marked sauce, insured for $100… He asks if it’s really a $100 in sauce… blah blah blah……

Love you Honey (in case does read)

Mrs. Huvason he does luv you he told me so in our e-mails last week. :):)

Mad, I’m getting loaded…Wait, I may have to send out THE e-mail…Wouldn’t that be something, sending out THE e-mail while everyone is getting drunk. Perhaps I’ll just wait until Saturday morning, that way everyone’s hangover will be cured when they receive an invoice from Defcon HQ. It will also allow everyone to enjoy St. Patrick’s Day instead of sitting in front of the computer. So let it be said, so let it be done. Honestly, I forgot it was St. Patty’s Day, I’ve already been to about 4 parades.

As for the barter/broker thing. Well, if you are just starting out, or have reached a point where the only things you need are the hard to find ones, well you will indeed have to spend some cash, I understand that. But there comes a point when you will want to trade instead of buy outright. Look at Mad for instance, he isn’t happy he had to spend a dumptruck load of cash, and would have rather bartered, as would I. My collection is very small and focused, I know what I need, and have the time to wait until it becomes available. I understand the “want” for something, but impulse buying is nice for short term, until you see the same thing offered for substantially less, which is not uncommon. Good things come to those who wait. The entire idea of building a collection of hard to find items is an entire ideology. I am a numismatist as well, and have bartered hundreds, if not thousands of coins over the years, and have done pretty well, but of course have had some bad hits, mainly due to the bullion market, but so be it, my focus is not deterred. If you find it difficult to find something, look harder, as “want” is a great driver for persistence, and persistence will usually grant you what you want.

huvason on 3/16/2006 at 3:09 pm said:

NO but she’ll see the bank statement! I’ll watch the auction. She’s already giving me crap about stuff I got\getting this week anyway …. blah blah blah the mailman has another box marked sauce, insured for $100… He asks if it’s really a $100 in sauce… blah blah blah……

Love you Honey (in case does read)

huvason, I cannot add anything to this…seems like you have hit the nail on the head! ha ha
See, you need to sell, trade, barter some of your stuff so you can have al little paypal account. that way you can purchase more sauce with the money you earn.

“Wait, I may have to send out THE e-mail…Wouldn’t that be something, sending out THE e-mail while everyone is getting drunk. Perhaps I’ll just wait until Saturday morning, that way everyone’s hangover will be cured when they receive an invoice from Defcon HQ. It will also allow everyone to enjoy St. Patrick’s Day instead of sitting in front of the computer. So let it be said, so let it be done.”

Hmmmm, I am not sure if I can decipher this?

pmac on 3/16/2006 at 3:15 pm said:

Mrs. Huvason he does luv you he told me so in our e-mails last week. :):)

THANX pmac.

chris k on 3/16/2006 at 3:24 pm said:

huvason, I cannot add anything to this…seems like you have hit the nail on the head! ha ha
See, you need to sell, trade, barter some of your stuff so you can have al little paypal account. that way you can purchase more sauce with the money you earn.

CHris… That’s what I need to do. Use PAYPAL to hide some coin. Dude - you are a genius - thanx.

Duhhhhh… Let’s hope she really doesn’t read this. Stupid me, always typing stuff I shouldn’t. WAIT a minute. Stupid Keyboard. I didn’t type that

LOL> You must have the same bwand i have

huvason on 3/16/2006 at 3:41 pm said:

CHris… That’s what I need to do. Use PAYPAL to hide some coin. Dude - you are a genius - thanx.

huvason on 3/16/2006 at 3:43 pm said:

Duhhhhh… Let’s hope she really doesn’t read this. Stupid me, always typing stuff I shouldn’t. WAIT a minute. Stupid Keyboard. I didn’t type that

Thats what I was eluding to. You dont even get a paper statement with Paypal. Its all online.

Buy more sauce!!!

I know - that’s why I said you are a genius Chirs, cuz I didn’t think of it! I am definitely going to do that.

I just wanted to say hi to all you HSBers! Can’t have a day without a Hot Tamale stopping in! Going to let Kristi out of the kitchen and go shopping with her for a while. SHHH, don’t tell Lisa! LOL

Hellllllllooooooo Jodie.

But the transfers to paypal and credit card pmts through paypal will show up on the paper statement.

ryan on 3/16/2006 at 4:39 pm said:

But the transfers to paypal and credit card pmts through paypal will show up on the paper statement.

HMMMM. Not really ryanson.
If you sell some items, leave that money in your account, and use that (balance) to purchase new items it never shows up anywhere except paypal.

chris k on 3/16/2006 at 4:55 pm said:

HMMMM. Not really ryanson.
If you sell some items, leave that money in your account, and use that (balance) to purchase new items it never shows up anywhere except paypal.

Chris, That is perfect!

Yeah, that would work. But if he needed more funding he’d be screwed

ryan on 3/16/2006 at 5:18 pm said:

Yeah, that would work. But if he needed more funding he’d be screwed

this is true…
no hard feelings about that ryanson thing i hope.

ryan on 3/16/2006 at 5:18 pm said:

Yeah, that would work. But if he needed more funding he’d be screwed

Not really! Paypal does financing as well!!

Just testing something here:

|-)

:->

:*)

chris k on 3/16/2006 at 5:24 pm said:

Just testing something here:

|-)

:->

:*)

sorry,

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE KEYBOARD (me)

Are you trying to figure out the smiley face thing??

chris k on 3/16/2006 at 5:20 pm said:

this is true…
no hard feelings about that ryanson thing i hope.

not at all, Chris

Tracy C on 3/16/2006 at 5:33 pm said:

Are you trying to figure out the smiley face thing??

YUP

Tracy C on 3/16/2006 at 5:33 pm said:

Are you trying to figure out the smiley face thing??

I hope he is - otherwise we need to get him help

chris k the package arrived After Death and the Hot Sauce from Hell Wax
I need to know how to fix something though, and I am sure it is simple.
Perhaps Nick L can help.?
The seal the Brittle black plastic shrink wrap that holds the Skull, split right down the middle over the ring of the key chain. anyone know where to get the shrink. I imagine once you have a piece it is just a blowdryer to heat and it shrink down again.

Thanks in advance for any help on this.

pmac - here ya go
http://www.leeners.com/hotsauce.html

Btween CaJohn & I we’ve about a zillion of those shrink bands. A hair dryer on very high will *just* about do it. For one or two bottles at home, I just use my gas stove and quick set of hands Need a band aid, eh? Zip me an address on where to send one.

yes please. Thank you! I will email you the address

pmac on 3/16/2006 at 7:14 pm said:

chris k the package arrived After Death and the Hot Sauce from Hell Wax
I need to know how to fix something though, and I am sure it is simple.
Perhaps Nick L can help.?
The seal the Brittle black plastic shrink wrap that holds the Skull, split right down the middle over the ring of the key chain. anyone know where to get the shrink. I imagine once you have a piece it is just a blowdryer to heat and it shrink down again.

Thanks in advance for any help on this.

Hey pmac. I sent you an email.

Please also put down what it was you needed in the same note… just like last time

Thanks! It should get to you much quicker than the sauces.

jim campbell- Mild to Wild(R) on 3/16/2006 at 7:25 pm said:

Btween CaJohn & I we’ve about a zillion of those shrink bands. A hair dryer on very high will *just* about do it. For one or two bottles at home, I just use my gas stove and quick set of hands Need a band aid, eh? Zip me an address on where to send one.

You might want to send him a couple cause who knows if his hands are quick enough! May have to test it out once

Actually, I’m going to send several for just that reason

I’m also going to send a couple of different sizes since I don’t know which one will fit.

I have 2 words for ya. HEAT GUN. —–LOL.

Aaron on 3/16/2006 at 8:02 pm said:

You might want to send him a couple cause who knows if his hands are quick enough! May have to test it out once

Scott on 3/16/2006 at 8:08 pm said:

I have 2 words for ya. HEAT GUN. —–LOL.

Hey pmac…sounds like they have no faith in you

I gave him some tips and suggestions off list

Those words were mentioned

chris k on 3/16/2006 at 8:12 pm said:

Hey pmac…sounds like they have no faith in you

Oh I got faith in him. Just trying to help him out in case something terrible happens, like a small mistake. Never hurts to cover your bases!

pmac, if you change your mind, let me know. I can swap it for you

By the way, is everyone still waiting for the e-mail from that guy that that makes these cool looking reserve thingies. He did say for ALL right.

Huvason or anybody else,
I have extra 16 Million Reserve, 05 Halloween Reserve, LeMillion and 6am to sell or trade for something. just reply to this post. Let me know what you need or have to trade. I also have extra Dave’s Reserves.

Chris S.

hey pmac, you still need the black shrink band for your bottle?

Thats cool with me pmac…let me know how it turns out.

Kristi it looks like Jim took care of me thanks though, and for all you guys making fun of me :). I have 2 (or a bunch) of words for you.
I will see what i can do if i have the bands then that will do I will wait until i have something that can produce enough heat. If i hav to stick it up my but after a night of HOT sauce and fart then thats what I will do.
Regardless I have been tossing a few back with my Hot sauce hottie and I can take the ribbin as good as the next guy. Thanks guys/gals luv ya all, and Chris K don’t sweat it I replied to the solution if need be but I have done electrical and automotive wireing, so i understand how the shrink material works.
Hehehe yeah it might be rocket science when I am drinking but when i sober up I’m good

The previous statements were made under the influence of alcohol so to sue please call 1-800-dun-care :)

Have a Fabulous night all!!!

After careful scrutiny of the previous statement. I really do need to practice punctuation. !!!! WoW it is bad LOL

Drink one for me pmac

Kristi it looks like Jim took care of me, thanks though, and for all you guys making fun of me, I have 2 (or a bunch) of words for you.
I will see what i can do, if i have the bands then that will do, I will wait until i have something that can produce enough heat. If i have to stick it up my but after a night of HOT sauce and fart, then thats what I will do.
Regardless, I have been tossing a few back with my Hot sauce hottie. But I can take the teasing as good as the next guy. Thanks guys/gals luv ya all, and Chris K don’t sweat it I replied with the solution if need be but I have done electrical and automotive wiring, so i understand how the shrink material works. (Just throw it in the pool and it shrinks…Ohh wait that is something else altogether(Seinfeld)).
Hehehe yeah it might be rocket science when I am drinking, but when i’m sober it’s all good.

The previous statements were made under the influence of alcohol so to sue, please call 1-800-dun-care.

Have a Fabulous night all!!!

Yup eman i will for sure
Money tomorrow am keep an eye out for it!
Thank you very much.
I bought a few AWESOME bottles today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pictures late next week of everything I have been dumping my time into.

Someone place a bid on my stuff on eBay!!! DDAMN I need to pay for everything I just bought LOL! search Blair’s
Shameless self promoting haha! K goodnight

Ha I was gonna check out stuff out on ebay and I searched for pmac but he doesnt have anything for sell?! haha I missed your user name

Nick, got #53

it should be the first 3 items after the 4am

Aaron, check under Blair’s in the home and garden section.

pmac on 3/16/2006 at 9:29 pm said:

After careful scrutiny of the previous statement. I really do need to practice punctuation. !!!! WoW it is bad LOL

pmac..drink another beer and all the words will magically clear up…

ha or I could do that but I also wasnt paying enough attention to most of the thread to know what he was selling. shows what good I am lol

eman on 3/16/2006 at 9:48 pm said:

it should be the first 3 items after the 4am

They have a blue border around them and say from Canada under the price.
6am, LeMillion, and a 16 million i think

huvason on 3/16/2006 at 5:51 pm said:

I hope he is - otherwise we need to get him help

Thanks huvason

Aaron on 3/16/2006 at 9:46 pm said:

Ha I was gonna check out stuff out on ebay and I searched for pmac but he doesnt have anything for sell?! haha I missed your user name

thepmac is my name on eBay

Does anyone know who has all the CaJohns stuff on e-bay?

guess i will just have the sniping happen
that comment was for parker
Have a good night all, off to bed now!

bob26003
but if you hold off I will verify if it is all legit, I bought a bunch but have not received anything yet. Everything I bought is up for grabs again. I should be receiving tomorrow or monday if it is coming

Hmmm I have been wanting some of those pmac … Get with me if they don’t sell on ebay. I would buy them right now but I just spent alot of money today and I can’t possibly spend more! Maybe they will sell for more than your wildest dreams! goodluck

eman, you crack me up.
better keep those two (bottles) in line.
tell them to stop fighting

Ok I lied about the spending money. I just couldnt spend quite that much today. BUT I did just buy an old label Blair’s after death from chris k. Call me a liar I guess. You better get that in the mail to me tomorrow!

Should be no problem…

**Looking to trade a B99 for a low number 4 am…

Fair deal - anyone know anyone who might be interested??

chris k on 3/16/2006 at 10:54 pm said:

Should be no problem…

woohooo! Gotta stop spending money soon though cause paypay was only two days ago

Jeff, I don’t know if you will get a low number, but i do think you will get an offer.

eman on 3/16/2006 at 11:03 pm said:

Jeff, I don’t know if you will get a low number, but i do think you will get an offer.

Eman, thanks, hey, as long as the 4 am bottle is in perf. cond. and has some nice thick funky wax - I’ll deal!!

out??? What the heck is that? Today 5am-til???? still here!
Man am I drinking tomorrow.

Nick, Jim is digging through tha basement, garage, storage shed and God knows where finding things from his (and my) past. Some of the things he’s come up with might rival that case of Frostbite 4 I told you I found.

By the way, anyone have a botlle of Bailey’s Irish Scream, topical since tomorrow is St Patty’ Day. There are 3 versions of that label. Bailey’s Irish Scream, Irish Scream and now The Original Irish Scream. The first one created a stir with the attorney’s who represent the Irish Cream, the second appeased them and the third was after Ron Boyle of Porky’s Gourmet came out with his Boyle’s Irish Scream.

CaJohn, you need to make a Hot Sauce Trivial Pursuit

Aaron on 3/16/2006 at 10:05 pm said:

Hmmm I have been wanting some of those pmac … Get with me if they don’t sell on ebay. I would buy them right now but I just spent alot of money today and I can’t possibly spend more! Maybe they will sell for more than your wildest dreams! goodluck

Yes ok i will. I am going to have 5 signed log cablins. I will be keeping 1 for sure, maybe 2-3 I do have a couple extra. I bought a whole bunch a CaJohns stuff. I need to wait to see what all I have. But the log cabins are definate.

huvason on 3/16/2006 at 10:21 am said:

pmac - nice touch:
“Europe is dedicated to the HSBers …”

And how can expidited shipping be cheaper that standard:
US $15.00 Expedited Flat Rate Shipping Service United States only
US $25.00 Standard Flat Rate Shipping Service United States only

I do need a 16 million reserve though!

I just saw this too. Very nice touch with the overseas shipping

CaJohn on 3/16/2006 at 11:32 pm said:

Nick, Jim is digging through tha basement, garage, storage shed and God knows where finding things from his (and my) past. Some of the things he’s come up with might rival that case of Frostbite 4 I told you I found.

Frostbite 4………… I want one!! pretty please. lol. How do we get 1?

I’m interested in one of those Frosbite 4’s myself!!!

Nick Lindauer on 3/17/2006 at 9:24 am said:

I’ll have them again soon

How soon Nick?

I was just playing around on Google and I came across a N-59 for sale on a website called Pepper-King.com. I’m not sure what language it’s in, but if someone does, they should probably scoop it up. They are also selling a signed bottle of Cajohn’s Mucho Danger Hot sauce? Anybody know anything about it?

Adam2 on 3/22/2006 at 7:25 pm said:

I was just playing around on Google and I came across a N-59 for sale on a website called Pepper-King.com. I’m not sure what language it’s in, but if someone does, they should probably scoop it up. They are also selling a signed bottle of Cajohn’s Mucho Danger Hot sauce? Anybody know anything about it?

Went and had a look, they are asking $289EURO or $360USD, a steal anyway you look at it….has anyone jumped at it??

The N-59 on that site is 298 Euros which = $359.93 US

you beat me by a couple seconds on that one Jeff

Yeah, I’ve tried to contact them, but no one seems to speak any English. My German is shotty at best - all I know is curse words. And that won’t get me too far!

ryan on 3/22/2006 at 7:34 pm said:

you beat me by a couple seconds on that one Jeff

Ya, I did, shipping to be a small fortune! How in the world did one make it to Germany already!!!

By plane I suppose

ryan on 3/22/2006 at 7:41 pm said:

By plane I suppose

Still, pretty cool that one of fifty-nine worldwide, has made it’s way to Germany…..

ryan on 3/22/2006 at 7:41 pm said:

By plane I suppose

actually, I hear it was a bunch of Geramn Sailors that purchased the bottle and when they got back to port they swapped it for a couple of cases of Warsteiner.

Is it legit?

loco luna brian on 3/22/2006 at 7:50 pm said:

Is it legit?

The German Sailors or the Warsteiner?

Actually, they have 2!

loco luna brian on 3/22/2006 at 7:52 pm said:

Actually, they have 2!

They DO??

jeff on 3/22/2006 at 7:53 pm said:

They DO??

You can change the quantity to buy to 2, but at 3 it says that you’ve exceeded their stock.

loco luna brian on 3/22/2006 at 7:55 pm said:

You can change the quantity to buy to 2, but at 3 it says that you’ve exceeded their stock.

I wonder if they will increase in value in Europe like they will over here…? Mid #’s are they ?/59…..

That’s IT! We’re gonna have to invade Germany now. Tell George W. they have a couple HMD’s (Hot sauces of Mass Destruction)

Ha, looks like I sparked some curiousity here! Good thing I don’t need one!

jeff on 3/22/2006 at 7:58 pm said:

I wonder if they will increase in value in Europe like they will over here…? Mid #’s are they ?/59…..

#57/59 is pictured & anyones guess as to the other- #56 or 58

Adam2 on 3/22/2006 at 8:00 pm said:

Ha, looks like I sparked some curiousity here! Good thing I don’t need one!

A lucky N-59 owner r you??

The one pictured is no. 57. It looks like the real deal.

So what do you think these should be priced at in the US?

loco luna brian on 3/22/2006 at 8:02 pm said:

So what do you think these should be priced at in the US?

Now? or in 18-36 months? If a 4 am just sold for a grand, and they are all ?/999 then an N-59 ?/59 should be worth just a little more, in time…..just my two cents…….

Just doing the internal debate on whether to buy or not…..

BUY IT, i have a few of them, but if i get the money free’d up on my visa I am taking it NO QUESTIONS asked. But I am tight from some other stuff, just trying to figure out some financing as we speak.

He who hesitates is lost!

Nick post #42 on the list owned by pmac

Ohh heheheheheee “please and thank you” LOL sorry i was not thinking where are my manners.

The Germans are probably Michael and Lolita. She speaks English, but Michael does not. They bought an amazing amount of product from Hot Shots. Several pallets!

HEY EVERYONE - just tried to set up an account on Pepper-king and there is no choice (on the drop down menu) for Canada or USA for account set up, DO THEY ship out of Europe?

jeff on 3/22/2006 at 8:32 pm said:

HEY EVERYONE - just tried to set up an account on Pepper-king and there is no choice (on the drop down menu) for Canada or USA for account set up, DO THEY ship out of Europe?

Yeah, I got about that far too, that’s when I posted it on here - I thought I’d let you guys duke it out!

jeff on 3/22/2006 at 8:32 pm said:

HEY EVERYONE - just tried to set up an account on Pepper-king and there is no choice (on the drop down menu) for Canada or USA for account set up, DO THEY ship out of Europe?

Site states shipping worlwide.

Nick Lindauer on 3/22/2006 at 8:34 pm said:

Try calling them

Just emailed them, will post the reply.

CaJohn on 3/22/2006 at 8:28 pm said:

The Germans are probably Michael and Lolita. She speaks English, but Michael does not. They bought an amazing amount of product from Hot Shots. Several pallets!

Hello Mr. CaJohn, I hope all is well tonight
I trust you will call me if there are any problems with anything
Thanks again for all the info! It was great to hear you talk about it all.

pmac on 3/22/2006 at 8:38 pm said:

Site states shipping worlwide.

Good point, made it to the check out: personal cheque or money order only, no way to pay via credit card……….=(

CaJohn on 3/22/2006 at 8:28 pm said:

The Germans are probably Michael and Lolita. She speaks English, but Michael does not. They bought an amazing amount of product from Hot Shots. Several pallets!

Do they ship to the US and Canada? Do you know if they take credit card for quick payment and shipping? Thanks…….

Just ask my Hot Sauce Hottie, since it says personal cheque, she said no way “I’m not mailing my bank info to someone on the other side of the world”.
Damn.

eman on 3/13/2006 at 7:31 pm said:

Ryan, bet you still don’t get a gold skull

Yeah old post but if he e-mails me he will.

Cajohn - Any chance you have any more of the signed Mucho Dangers? Have I ever told you how great you are?

pmac, It was indeed a great conversation, I learned quite a bit. The last couple of days have produced many finds in our warehouse corners as well. Together with what Jim has dug out, we should have some very interesting items come available real soon. Nick, please get in touch with me one way or another.

If Nick will send me his case, I’ll be glad to sign them all. Adam2, no, but I’m sure you are sincere…

pmac smiling

I know, you are probably taking me very seriously! But for real, I do love those new 2oz bottles used for the Black Mamba - they’re definately sweet looking. Are those the same used for the Mucho Danger?

CaJohn on 3/22/2006 at 8:57 pm said:

pmac, It was indeed a great conversation, I learned quite a bit. The last couple of days have produced many finds in our warehouse corners as well. Together with what Jim has dug out, we should have some very interesting items come available real soon. Nick, please get in touch with me one way or another.

I can bet there will be many takers from HSB. Let us know how this stuff will be available!!!

I am taking you VERY seriously, I’ve seen your collection. Yes those are the same bottles and the base recipe for Mucho Danger is the Black Mamba. So close, it’s the same. When we were test-marketing the sauce, we had several special editions of the sauce, all show specific labels. I think Nick offered the ABQ set for a bit last year.

Was that the set of Three bottles with Black labels? Maybe some of them were in Spanish?

Yes, sorry I got tied up on a phone call there, para matar los gringos, Hard Core and salsa para pendejos were the three. There was 1 more from the Cajun Hot Sauce Festival Sa Cest Chaud. Now there is Mucho Danger! It has been our policy to do a special sauce for every “Hot” show we do, that’s where the Magma 4 and Frostbite 4 came into existence. hey were from the Houston Hot Sauce Festival. We’ll have a special sauce coming out for ZestFest 2006.

Todd on 3/13/2006 at 7:06 pm said:

Ok…so who has refreshed at least 1000 times at extremefood already??

I just noticed this post. Its old but the name looks very familliar. Hmmmmm.

CaJohn on 3/22/2006 at 10:06 pm said:

Yes, sorry I got tied up on a phone call there, para matar los gringos, Hard Core and salsa para pendejos were the three. There was 1 more from the Cajun Hot Sauce Festival Sa Cest Chaud. Now there is Mucho Danger! It has been our policy to do a special sauce for every “Hot” show we do, that’s where the Magma 4 and Frostbite 4 came into existence. hey were from the Houston Hot Sauce Festival. We’ll have a special sauce coming out for ZestFest 2006.

Do you know anywhere that the ABQ set is still available?

Mad_Reilly on 3/16/2006 at 2:36 pm said:

I’m for the barter system as well. BELIEVE ME, I have spent some serious money to get some of the sauces I have. I’d say there’s some real happy brokers out there. I’m now going to try to get two of a limited reserve. One for the “collection” and one to trade later. That’s fair i guess. I always just buy one because I wan’t someone else to get a shot. But, now seeing how these go, I might as well load up. I think they call it a catch 22????

I agree all the way!!!

It is really interesting that one made it all the way to Europe already. Blair is a worldwide name!!

Anyone have any luck with the Pepper-King? I’m trying to contact my long-lost distant relatives in Germany. Schnell! Schnell!

Adam2 on 3/23/2006 at 8:13 pm said:

Anyone have any luck with the Pepper-King? I’m trying to contact my long-lost distant relatives in Germany. Schnell! Schnell!

I emailed them, with zero response……in that email I stated I was interested in both of their N59’s………and still not a thing.

They have sold their N-59s now - there’s a note on their website

Put me down for #35 and my business partner Bob has #46

Cheffy on 3/25/2006 at 5:13 pm said:

Put me down for #35 and my business partner Bob has #46

I’ve got #29

I had bought, or reserved #17 from that german website, but with no means of acceptable payment I told them I had to decline so they might have one again. Unless they already sold it. It was about 3 hours ago I told them i decline.

Is that your man who was at the show in NM ? The German Guy? Pmac my wife is German and we might be able to help. What’s the story? maybe I could get it shiped to my wife’s sister’s house (in Germany) and they can ship it to me and then to you

Mad_Reilly thanks for the offer. I have enough of these anyways. I took the money and put it into another bottle at this stage (another work of art). You will all see what my efforts have turned into very soon (within a month).
Hopefully I told the Blog I cancelled on time, before someone else got a hold of it.

Pmac, your package arrived at our doorstep on Saturday, THANKS! My a.m. collection is now complete. Your box (it’s big) went out Saturday as well, along with the ZERO (#40) and N-59 (#14). Enjoy man!

Great. Good to hear!!!! Glad you are happy Creator!

Now, to track down a 2 digit 6AM my collection has taken quite a hit trying to aquire a few N59’s. But i am working on this. I have a couple things in the works

I wish you luck in your endeavor. And if you know anyone parting with a Halloween ‘04 or Caldera, send ‘em my way.

I’ll trade ya, if i hear of a Halloween guy he is yours if you get a caldera guy shoot em to me :)

Pmac the German guy you were talking to was it pepperworld.com? Harold???

pmac on 3/27/2006 at 1:21 pm said:

I’ll trade ya, if i hear of a Halloween guy he is yours if you get a caldera guy shoot em to me :)

Sounds like a plan.

Mad_Reilly on 3/27/2006 at 1:33 pm said:

Pmac the German guy you were talking to was it pepperworld.com? Harold???

Yes and his wife Lilottai think it was.friendly people. very understanding.
did not give me a hard time at all when i cancelled.

Blair’s N-59 Reserve #7 Hot Sauce on eBay now opening bid $500

pmac on 3/27/2006 at 3:14 pm said:

Blair’s N-59 Reserve #7 Hot Sauce on eBay now opening bid $500

buy it now $1500

pmac on 3/27/2006 at 3:14 pm said:

Blair’s N-59 Reserve #7 Hot Sauce on eBay now opening bid $500

I see that………#7, one lower then mine……should go for a small fortune…………

Who is selling it????

I know this seller (not personally, but have bought from him before). I’m surprised he isn’t charging $600 in S&H…it’s his typical M.O.

Mad_Reilly on 3/27/2006 at 3:26 pm said:

Who is selling it????

The seller works for Jungle Jim’s. They have a few sellers on ebay.
Anyone with a name that starts with JJ (like jjshaker, who is selling the N-59) works for Jungle Jim’s.

Hmmm… In talking to Jungle Jim’s buyer, he was *adamant* that it was no one in an official capacity who was selling this stuff. He wasn’t aware of any employee doing it. He took a bit of offense that it was suggested. Strange.

Jim Campbell (Mild to Wild®) on 3/27/2006 at 3:54 pm said:

Hmmm… In talking to Jungle Jim’s buyer, he was *adamant* that it was no one in an official capacity who was selling this stuff. He wasn’t aware of any employee doing it. He took a bit of offense that it was suggested. Strange.

I have bought a fair number of Blair’s from JJshaker, all good pricing, shipped promptly and packaged perfectly…….appears to be able to obtain the low #’s……

I think there’s little doubt he’s getting them *from* there. JJ’s does buy a ton of stuff ahead of everyone else & usually gets some of the good ones.

Then again, I could have misunderstood- that’s never been know to happen

Jim Campbell (Mild to Wild®) on 3/27/2006 at 3:54 pm said:

Hmmm… In talking to Jungle Jim’s buyer, he was *adamant* that it was no one in an official capacity who was selling this stuff. He wasn’t aware of any employee doing it. He took a bit of offense that it was suggested. Strange.

Hey Jim. Can you shoot me a quick email when you get a chance? Thanks!

Sure can Brian- I susbscribed to your newsletter from your site hoping that would provide me with your email but I haven’t gotten one yet. Email addy on your site? If not mines jim at wildpepper.com

not going to mention the guy’s real name, but the e-mail address he uses for his ebay auctions is “so and so at junglejims.com”. There are others from jungle jim’s as well. I don’t complain about the price of the auctions or the packing job he does, but here is where he is shady (read his feedback). The guy WAY over charges for shipping and handling, and when you pay for a certain shipping method, he sends it in a less expensive mannar. There is a guy that paid for priority mail, received it parcel post (he left neg. feedback), I paid for UPS 3-Day ($30+), he sent it USPS Priority Mail (didn’t leave Neg. feedback cause it was my first purchase on ebay and didn’t want to recieve neg. on my first one). The guy is shady.

Jim Campbell (Mild to Wild®) on 3/27/2006 at 4:30 pm said:

Sure can Brian- I susbscribed to your newsletter from your site hoping that would provide me with your email but I haven’t gotten one yet. Email addy on your site? If not mines jim at wildpepper.com

Email coming at you:)

pmac on 3/27/2006 at 3:14 pm said:

Blair’s N-59 Reserve #7 Hot Sauce on eBay now opening bid $500

I just saw this, does anyone know how the auction ended? I see pmac’s n-59 auction is over $350 so far.

they are both still open
2 days or so for both left

CactusPhil on 3/31/2006 at 9:38 pm said:

I just saw this, does anyone know how the auction ended? I see pmac’s n-59 auction is over $350 so far.

CactusPhil- the bidding is still open on #7 for 2d14h14m and counting. pmac’s is going sooner at 1d22h28m and counting

pmac on 3/31/2006 at 10:23 pm said:

they are both still open
2 days or so for both left

#7 has 1 bidder and our man pmac has 15

I think it has to do with all the trash talk that happened about the jj on a sellers name.

it might also be the fact that I did a private auction. But who really knows.

pmac on 3/31/2006 at 10:29 pm said:

I think it has to do with all the trash talk that happened about the jj on a sellers name.

If that has anything to do with it, you’re welcome Pmac

LOL , thanks either way hahah. How did you find out about the #1 B-99.

What’s up dudes?

eman on 3/31/2006 at 10:42 pm said:

What’s up dudes?

Oh no, eman and ryan

pmac on 3/31/2006 at 10:39 pm said:

LOL , thanks either way hahah. How did you find out about the #1 B-99.

It’s up for auction on ebay.

chris k on 3/31/2006 at 10:46 pm said:

Oh no, eman and ryan

and Chris K…where is Tracy?

chris k on 3/31/2006 at 10:46 pm said:

Oh no, eman and ryan

Hey now, I’ve been neglecting the masses here, time to entertain a bit

Damn emoticons don’t work if you’ve got two spaces between it and the word before it *insert angry face*

Eman, you cleard a space for them salsas yet?

eman on 3/31/2006 at 10:49 pm said:

and Chris K…where is Tracy?

I haven’t heard from Tracy since this morning. The man has been pretty busy balancing work and family…you too will soon know what this is like.

Tomorrow is D-day and we still do not have an answer do we?

chris k on 3/30/2006 at 11:36 am said:

Not to bring this up, but we never had a winner from the other contest yet, where did that prize go?

“The Game shall commence as follows: I shall, upon Nick’s initial request, choose the #1 caption, as I will hold true the request. This choosing, of my choice, shall receive a special treat. Instead of The Blog releasing the exact time of public acquisition, the author of the winning caption will mysteriously be exempt from the initial e-mail which will state they are available. Not only will this show the author of the winning caption they have won”

DEFCON Creator on 3/30/2006 at 11:47 am said:

Patience, Grasshopper, patience. Nick is fully aware of what is going on with this. There is indeed a prize, and a very nice one at that. It just hasn’t finished accumulating yet (you think I’m kidding). I am waiting on the final ingredient for the prize, which will be offered shortly. Trust me, whoever wins is going to laugh their ass off, not to mention having a 1/1 in a manner of speaking. Rest assured, The Creator hasn’t forgotten who said what. (evil chuckle)

ryan on 3/30/2006 at 7:50 pm said:

This thing in here about “Nick’s initial request” is totally wrong. Somebody needs to go back and read some stuff. I for recall “Nick’s initial request” quite clearly and it stated that “Creator” will choose the TOP 5 (not the #1) captions, and the HSB would vote on which is #1. Now if I’m wrong, please feel free to provide proof. In the mean time, here’s mine.

Here’s how this works: Take a look at the slighty disturbing photo above and come up with a caption. Leave your caption as a comment. The top 5 will be picked out by the Creator (he doesn’t know this yet) & those 5 will be voted on by the HSB readers.

Thanks for tuning in

Mad_Reilly on 3/30/2006 at 7:54 pm said:

Hummmmm good point - where’s the Creator?

Ryan on 3/31/2006 at 10:51 pm said:

Eman, you cleard a space for them salsas yet?

I am keeping one and two of them have homes already

chris k on 3/31/2006 at 10:52 pm said:

Tomorrow is D-day and we still do not have an answer do we?

Afirmative captain. He still hasn’t even corrected himself on what he claims to be how the contest was supposed to be run.

eman on 3/31/2006 at 10:54 pm said:

I am keeping one and two of them have homes already

when you say two have homes, you mean that you’re not keeping all 3? as in you sold/gave 2 of them to other people?

Speaking of Blair - didn’t he say we should be expecting an important message this week?

Adam2 on 3/31/2006 at 11:00 pm said:

Speaking of Blair - didn’t he say we should be expecting an important message this week?

Yeah I was wondering myself as well! Who knows…

Adam2 on 3/31/2006 at 11:00 pm said:

Speaking of Blair - didn’t he say we should be expecting an important message this week?

Yes he did, but he’s a busy man. I got an e-mail from him today, but it was just a reply to an e-mail I sent him..just shoot’n the sh*t…Fear not Adam

Ryan on 3/31/2006 at 10:56 pm said:

when you say two have homes, you mean that you’re not keeping all 3? as in you sold/gave 2 of them to other people?

I went in with 2 others to get the jars

AHHHHHHH! That’s cool. you should have blair renumber them each one third of one

Ryan on 3/31/2006 at 10:55 pm said:

Afirmative captain. He still hasn’t even corrected himself on what he claims to be how the contest was supposed to be run.

Well there is a special contest tomorrow so, I dont know, just seems a bit fishy here with this one

Ryan on 3/31/2006 at 11:08 pm said:

AHHHHHHH! That’s cool. you should have blair renumber them each one third of one

I about s$%t when I saw that open bottle on the blog. I don’t understand how the one i got can be 1/1 when Nick had one..unless thats the actual production one.

As Nick stated, there were only 3 SIGNED. The one featured here on the blog is a pre-production, but it was never signed. The ones you got are in fact 1/1 signed jars.

Ryan on 3/31/2006 at 11:23 pm said:

As Nick stated, there were only 3 SIGNED. The one featured here on the blog is a pre-production, but it was never signed. The ones you got are in fact 1/1 signed jars.

I just thought that the ones i got were the only per-production ones..no biggy!!!!!

chris k on 3/31/2006 at 11:13 pm said:

Well there is a special contest tomorrow so, I dont know, just seems a bit fishy here with this one

The only thing fishy about the “caption this” contest is that somebody wanted complete and total conrol over and couldn’t have it. I know a couple people just like that…my kids

Last thing i herd is that he was working on the prizes…i think wee need to be a little more patient

eman on 3/31/2006 at 11:25 pm said:

I just thought that the ones i got were the only per-production ones..no biggy!!!!!

As much as I hate to say this (I really do), its silly to imagine that anyone would only make 3 pre-production anything. There’s all kind of testing that has to be done on stuff like that. Taste tests, does the presentation pop and make people want to buy it. DUDE! you have the only signed ones (well, one in the set of 3). It’s like the old style labels…there’s a number of them out there, but not all are signed. What you have is incredibly unique.

eman on 3/31/2006 at 11:27 pm said:

Last thing i herd is that he was working on the prizes…i think wee need to be a little more patient

To be honest, I couldn’t care less about the prize since I’m “disqualified” that big meanie (note my sarcasm). What DOES get to me is his dragging this out, trying to change the rules and process of a contest he did not create. I’m upset that he is casting aside those that actually buy his product and still think he’s someone worth giving attention. Now I know this sounds a little harsh, but I’ve noticed a pattern here. Genious marketing, and though he is gaining some popularity, he is also burning some bridges in the process.

Ryan on 3/31/2006 at 11:34 pm said:

To be honest, I couldn’t care less about the prize since I’m “disqualified” that big meanie (note my sarcasm). What DOES get to me is his dragging this out, trying to change the rules and process of a contest he did not create. I’m upset that he is casting aside those that actually buy his product and still think he’s someone worth giving attention. Now I know this sounds a little harsh, but I’ve noticed a pattern here. Genious marketing, and though he is gaining some popularity, he is also burning some bridges in the process.

Guy, no offence, but you are right, it is a bit harsh, he is just a person, and has ideas, things change, and he has a lot on the go with the Zero mailings and Defcon day, give the poor guy a break, and he has the regular job to contend with, and he does not need to give anything away. It is all in fun, please remember that, this is not to be taken too seriously. Live life laugh have fun, if they don’t like it, F’um!

Sincerely,

pmac

pmac on 3/31/2006 at 11:40 pm said:

Guy, no offence, but you are right, it is a bit harsh, he is just a person, and has ideas, things change, and he has a lot on the go with the Zero mailings and Defcon day, give the poor guy a break, and he has the regular job to contend with, and he does not need to give anything away. It is all in fun, please remember that, this is not to be taken too seriously. Live life laugh have fun, if they don’t like it, F’um!

Sincerely,

pmac

No offense taken. I realize he’s just a person, but I beieve you’re missing the point. The point I’m trying to make is that the contest was not started by him, it was started by Nick. Nick laid down what we were supposed to do, what creator was supposed to do, and so on. On several occaisions, he tried to rewrite the whole contest. I don’t recall ever reading anything by Nick giving creator total control of the thing, he was only supposed to pick the top 5. Creator decided on his own that he will pick the number one caption “per Nicks initial request”? He was totally wrong there and everytime he gets called on it, he has no reply because he knows that those of us that remind him this was Nick’s contest, not his, are right. So to sum it up, its pretty much the same as you starting something and he walks in and says he’s taking over. That’s not right no matter how you look at it.

pmac on 3/31/2006 at 11:40 pm said:

Guy, no offence, but you are right, it is a bit harsh, he is just a person, and has ideas, things change, and he has a lot on the go with the Zero mailings and Defcon day, give the poor guy a break, and he has the regular job to contend with, and he does not need to give anything away. It is all in fun, please remember that, this is not to be taken too seriously. Live life laugh have fun, if they don’t like it, F’um!

Sincerely,

pmac

Hey pmac, my 2 cents here, there is anohter contest on Saturday, or a prize being awarded. The first one never had the prize awarded so why be lead on to believe this one will? Dont “put it out there” if your not going to deliver. “Now…..To come up with a prize……….

Just posing the question, read it and decide for yourself.

DEFCON Creator on 3/30/2006 at 10:31 am said:

Well, it seems we are going to have a number of people from this site showing up on Saturday. With that in mind, I figured I’d spice it up a bit. Normally, the Day progresses with mass ingestion of wings, and the inevitable downing of large amounts or various grog, not to mention hanging out and just plain enjoying yourself. Well, perhaps this time a contest is in order. I was trying to decide either a habanero eating contest or a DEFCON #1 wing eating contest. I think I’m going to go with the wing eating contest. The specifics will be announced at the event. I was kind of afraid of projectile vomiting from the habanero chomping contest, so I’m sticking to the wings, something I’m quite adept at. Now…..To come up with a prize……….

this was the contest that Nick had to delete like a gazillion insults and The Creator had to put up with everyone taking pot shots at him that got out of control right…That’s not right no matter how you look at it. I think a few ruined it for the mases. Unintentionally though, as humour is purely subjective. Pretty sure it was unspoken that the contest was over befor it ended. That was my impression anyways.

chris k on 4/1/2006 at 12:07 am said:

Hey pmac, my 2 cents here, there is anohter contest on Saturday, or a prize being awarded. The first one never had the prize awarded so why be lead on to believe this one will? Dont “put it out there” if your not going to deliver. “Now…..To come up with a prize……….

Just posing the question, read it and decide for yourself.

Remember - the contest tomorrow is just a chicken wing eating contest. the winner will probably get a t-shirt or something, I’m sure that whatever is going on with the caption contest is MUCH more involved than a simple wing contest for us drunks. I’m not sure what the delay is, but i’m sure it’s going to be worth it:

my 0.02

chris k on 4/1/2006 at 12:07 am said:

Hey pmac, my 2 cents here, there is anohter contest on Saturday, or a prize being awarded. The first one never had the prize awarded so why be lead on to believe this one will? Dont “put it out there” if your not going to deliver. “Now…..To come up with a prize……….

Just posing the question, read it and decide for yourself.

In Chris’s name we pray…Amen

huvason on 4/1/2006 at 12:10 am said:

Remember - the contest tomorrow is just a chicken wing eating contest. the winner will probably get a t-shirt or something, I’m sure that whatever is going on with the caption contest is MUCH more involved than a simple wing contest for us drunks. I’m not sure what the delay is, but i’m sure it’s going to be worth it:

my 0.02

huvason, we just love putting Mr DC on the spot, cant wait to really hear the response we get. Im not worried about the prize, cause Im not getting it anyway.
Ryan has a point, the whole thing was twisted up in every way it could be and now its off the radar.
I ask you this, would Blair ever let a “contest” disappear?

chris k on 4/1/2006 at 12:14 am said:

huvason, we just love putting Mr DC on the spot, cant wait to really hear the response we get. Im not worried about the prize, cause Im not getting it anyway.
Ryan has a point, the whole thing was twisted up in every way it could be and now its off the radar.
I ask you this, would Blair ever let a “contest” disappear?

How about I ask him tomorrow. (after a few of course )

huvason on 4/1/2006 at 12:10 am said:

Remember - the contest tomorrow is just a chicken wing eating contest. the winner will probably get a t-shirt or something, I’m sure that whatever is going on with the caption contest is MUCH more involved than a simple wing contest for us drunks. I’m not sure what the delay is, but i’m sure it’s going to be worth it:

my 0.02

Forget the delay of the prize, though it is a little concerning, look at everything else that has gone on. As Yoda would say in a situation like this “Hot sauces make not one great”

Pmac - I checked that out also - looks VERY shady to me. I brand new member, bidding 14 times on the Caldera? Don’t think so… I bet he’s wishing he didn’t now that you retracted your bids. I would’ve done the same thing. I’ve seen this same thing several times now on Ebay, just never on an item I was bidding on.

Sorry, “A brand new member”

This is why I will NOT bid on items from him. He and JJshaker are bad news in my book. I watch ebay very closely and noticed this monkeychamp guy too. I wouldn’t put it past “capsicumtoo” to pull something like this. They’ve been trying to sell this stuff for extreme amounts of money for quite some time now. The guy is in Manzanita, OR…just a couple hours from me

This is pmac I plugged in a diffferent address and I am a different person now?
Nope.

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pmac, its worth checking into

could be him, but he could have a friend helping him out,
that is so much harder to trace.

Good eye, its the best you can do sometimes.

He’s probably seeing how close you’d get to the reserve on those items and possibly sell it to you if its high enough. He buys these strictly for investment purposes. Being in accounting, I know that for every month that those sit on his shelf, he’s losing aprox. 2-5% in interest off the money he would make on them. I say its time he liquidates his inventory.

I offered to make a trade with him too, which pisses me off, because of the insult he threw at me.
It was for an N59 for a 6am and a Holiday ‘04 but after repeating that I have a holiday ‘04 and he has about …no word of a lie 15 of them. I stopped trying to attempt an offer. He must have 10-15 4am as well, i wanted a pretty fair trade, a bottle that has 59 vs a bottle that has 499 straight trade, I wanted that #14 caldera for #14 N59. He has #9 Caldera so i didnt think that was unfair, and still do not. Bah no matter. I am done with him. To think i defended him here too.

OK.

Enough of me trying to be nice to some of these people.

I had tried to make a deal with you earlier, pmac, and we didn’t reach one. Now, a situation arises this week that makes it necessary for me to sell these sauces that I was holding back on. I still wanted to give you the chance to bid on them, given our past communications, in which I had divulged information in confidence, etc, and felt you should have a heads up.

OK, now…. I have four computers in my home and business. I save all of my emails on one main business computer, and the others I am able to check email, but they aren’t saved there. So, when I emailed you earlier, from my notebook computer, I didn’t have access to the emails we had traded earlier…. thus my bringing up that point.

As for the accusation…. I apologize for this in advance, but

F*CK THAT! How can you just take that straight to this forum, putting something as damaging to my professional reputation, not to mention personal, without at least contacting me privately…. which you knew you would be able to do, as I had just emailed you. To retract the bids, come here and say that is just crap. I am not doing anything wrong, all I have done is put sauces on an auction site.

If you look at my history, you will see that I very rarely place items up for auction, other than the am set which I periodically list. I am not a scam artist, and I am not an unethical businessman, and I RESENT THIS ACCUSATION.

I can’t type more now… as this is just too infuriating right now. I was excited to see bids on my auctions, as my items are usually not bid on… so the retractions hurt enough, but for this slanderous bullshit to come out.

Again, I apologize if this is offensive to anyone, but I am just upset.

Until later….

Jeff

Taste The Pain

uhh he offered me a 6am and Holiday 04. i have the n59. just fyi
I think if i did not ever have a 6am (which i sold) i might think a little differently, but I also already have (and he knows this) a Holiday 04

Well…it seems that I’m not the only one here with the ability to upset people

…time to check ebay

And now I’m left wondering what exactly was said in confidnece that was mentioned by pmac. Was it that a deal was possibly in the works, or was it something in the accusation?…inquiring minds want to know. What say you?

This was posted on the B-99 thread earlier in response to a post by Ryan, and I wanted to copy it to this thread, just to clear a few other things up….

Response to Ryan:

OK, let me say a little something here in my defense.

To begin with, I am not the guy at the Saturday Market. I do all of my sales out of my restaurant in Manzanita, on the coast.

As for how I got the numbers I have, I purchased the #91 just the same as everyone else, and Blair contacted me, as I am one of his oldest customers, and asked if I would be interested in the #1 and #99 (for a very premium price, believe me). I had seen these types of offers for other reserve sauces before on his web site, but I had never taken the plunge and purchased them. This time I did. I had planned on keeping the #1 (because yes, I am a collector, and have been for over 15 years) and selling the #99, but the interest wasn’t there for the #99.

Now, I am forced to sell a few bottles to do a huge remodel on my restaurant/residence, and I chose to sell my low numbered CALDERA, the B-99, and some other bottles to help pay for the work. If that is wrong, I am sorry.

I was never a whorder of Blair’s products until they were sold out on extremefood.com itself. I admit that I did buy quite a few of each of the ‘am’ sauces when they were available, but I sold them on the Taste The Pain web site for the same prices as everyone else, and did not raise the price until after Blair ran out. I have never tried to inflate others prices. My reason for the high price I ask on my web site is that I have so few, and they are part of my collection, I don’t really want to get rid of them. But, if someone is willing to pay the prices, I will make the deal. It is still a business.

I have explained all of this to Nick and pmac, the only people that actually took the time to ask me in the first place. If I am doing something that you don’t approve of, I am sorry. I enjoy the HSB, and like to keep up with what others are doing with their sauces.

But, let me reiterate this one point:

I am not the Saturday Market seller. I have no affiliation with him or his business practices, whatever they may be. I am a hot sauce lover and collector, but at the same time, I do sell hot sauce as part of my business (just as I believe Nick does, right?).

I look forward to reading your response, Ryan, as well as the comments of any others. And I would like to continue to peruse and occasionally post on the HSB, but if it feels like I am not welcome, then I will not bother you again.

Thank you for allowing me the forum to explain my reasoning. Have a great weekend.

And thanks Nick! I appreciate your confidence and advice.

Jeff
Taste The Pain

there was no confidence broken by pmac. all i was trying to get across was that I thought we were, if not exactly friends or anything, but at least there should be some amount of trust between us. I was not trying to imply a breach of confidence.

Jeff, you are more than welcome to post here. I’m not the most liked person here, but hey, its a blog. People can choose to read me or not. If you are in fact NOT the guy, or have no affiliation with the man, at Saturday Market, my appologies. When I puchased a sauce at Saturday Market last year, I discovered that it had been carefully opened, then the cap was put back on (carefully as well). The man gave me a business card at the time I purchased the bottle. I called the number on the card to see about exchanging the bottle. It was a sunday afternoon and was visiting my parents for the weekend. Had to ask if I could exchange it fhe following weekend as I lived in Newport at the time. The number I dialed, and the address on the card were in Manzanita. Unfortunately, I do not recall with exact detail the name of the business, and I do not have the card any longer. I was unable to make it back to Portland the following weekend, but the weekend after that I went to Saturday Market, and the guy was not there. I had already spent more on gas than the sauce was worth, just said screw it and persued it no further. A short while after I had moved back to the Portland area, and the booth was no longer there. I’m sure you can understand how I would believe the man I purchased from could be you. The other uncanny thing is that I had a nice conversation with that man about the AM series. In this conversation he told me, as you have stated here tonight, that he was holding onto them until they were less available and would be able to demand a higher price for them. There’s too many similarities for me to ignore.

With that said, on to the ebay auctions. A word of advice. If you want to put to try to put to rest the accusations made here tonight, contact this “monkeychamp” and share your conversations with the rest of the class. I’m sure all would like to get to the bottom of this. Second, Odds are you will never be able to recover all the money that you forked over for things like the #1 B-99. I’ve watched your auctions for a very long time and the prices you’re asking for both starting bids, and buy it now are pretty high and that is more likely to scare people away when they will more than likely settle for a higher number at a much lower price. The reserve bit…This is something that I have gone over and over in my head. What’s the point? If there is a minimum amount that you are willing to sell the item for, why not just put that as the starting bid and let it go from there? at least then people would know if they’ve got the bucks to get it or not. Reserves are a tease. Buy it now prices are fine.

So there is my response. I for one am a patient buyer and am not concerned about which number I get. I always look for the best deal, and usually get it. That is why I do not even attempt to bid on your auctions. Call me cheap, but I’ve paid far less for my collection than most people with similar collections.

I appologize if I came off like I was trying to slam you. I got a little caught up in the moment, and in my profession, I have to be criticle and suspicious of business owners. That is why I am good at what I do.

Again, you are more than welcome to post here, there is no reason you shouldn’t. In fact, I encourage it. It would be nice to hear from someone else here in OR.

Skepticle was the word I was looking for in my previous post, not really suspicious, that would imply paranoia. I’m the type of guy that will call it as I see it and not afraid to say what’s on my mind (Nick knows this all too well). Its nothing personal as some might think

Another note, I’m not the greatest speller either, so please try to look past that

WELL, IT’S A GOOD THING I WAS OUT OF THE ROOM FOR THAT POST! half those words I am to tired to even try and spell. btw, very well put. it’s to bad we can’t read into the words here on the blog, to much can be taken offensively when it’s all in black and white,maybe Nick will consider audio after having to read all the LONG posts

Hi, sorry Jeff’s not responding - he went to have a drink and cry into his beer. He was so excited, and now is so hurt and confused about all of the mean, hateful things said about him. He was crushed. I told him I’m not going to let him read the blog on this website again for awhile because it upsets him too much. Thanks, Lynn (mrs. jeff)

Thanks honey. Next thing you know we’ll have the HSPL (Hot Sauce Pary Line)

PARTY…not pary…Its about time for bed

I can agree with that Ryan. I have not stayed up this late in a long time. The new projector is super sweet

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Obviously you are going to find me guilty no matter what, so I give up.

Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 1:35 am said:

Jeff, you are more than welcome to post here. I’m not the most liked person here, but hey, its a blog. People can choose to read me or not. If you are in fact NOT the guy, or have no affiliation with the man, at Saturday Market, my appologies. When I puchased a sauce at Saturday Market last year, I discovered that it had been carefully opened, then the cap was put back on (carefully as well). The man gave me a business card at the time I purchased the bottle. I called the number on the card to see about exchanging the bottle. It was a sunday afternoon and was visiting my parents for the weekend. Had to ask if I could exchange it fhe following weekend as I lived in Newport at the time. The number I dialed, and the address on the card were in Manzanita. Unfortunately, I do not recall with exact detail the name of the business, and I do not have the card any longer. I was unable to make it back to Portland the following weekend, but the weekend after that I went to Saturday Market, and the guy was not there. I had already spent more on gas than the sauce was worth, just said screw it and persued it no further. A short while after I had moved back to the Portland area, and the booth was no longer there. I’m sure you can understand how I would believe the man I purchased from could be you. The other uncanny thing is that I had a nice conversation with that man about the AM series. In this conversation he told me, as you have stated here tonight, that he was holding onto them until they were less available and would be able to demand a higher price for them. There’s too many similarities for me to ignore.

With that said, on to the ebay auctions. A word of advice. If you want to put to try to put to rest the accusations made here tonight, contact this “monkeychamp” and share your conversations with the rest of the class. I’m sure all would like to get to the bottom of this. Second, Odds are you will never be able to recover all the money that you forked over for things like the #1 B-99. I’ve watched your auctions for a very long time and the prices you’re asking for both starting bids, and buy it now are pretty high and that is more likely to scare people away when they will more than likely settle for a higher number at a much lower price. The reserve bit…This is something that I have gone over and over in my head. What’s the point? If there is a minimum amount that you are willing to sell the item for, why not just put that as the starting bid and let it go from there? at least then people would know if they’ve got the bucks to get it or not. Reserves are a tease. Buy it now prices are fine.

So there is my response. I for one am a patient buyer and am not concerned about which number I get. I always look for the best deal, and usually get it. That is why I do not even attempt to bid on your auctions. Call me cheap, but I’ve paid far less for my collection than most people with similar collections.

I appologize if I came off like I was trying to slam you. I got a little caught up in the moment, and in my profession, I have to be criticle and suspicious of business owners. That is why I am good at what I do.

Again, you are more than welcome to post here, there is no reason you shouldn’t. In fact, I encourage it. It would be nice to hear from someone else here in OR.

Back in 1995, we did have a Hot Sauce Cart in Lloyd Center during the holidays, but that is the only time we have done any off-premises sales. We went under the name Left Coast Hot Sauce for that business.

I haven’t been to the Saturday Market when there was a hot sauce seller there… so I really have no idea who it could be. I remember a guy from Troutdale that had a booth there, but I have no idea why (or how) he would be giving out our business cards. We do put stickers on all of the bottles that we sell, which have our phone number and email address on them. Maybe, if as you say, the bottle was pre-opened, this guy had one of our bottles. I don’t know.

I just hate the fact that with these accusations flying at me, everything I say is just me trying to explain them away, and that could just make me look guilty. So, I am going to say goodnight for the night, and hopefully tomorrow will be different….

oh, and as for the reserve prices on my auctions… I am just going by what eBay says helps… having a low opening gets more people to look at the auction…. but I wouldn’t want someone with an opening bid of 100 or something getting an item that I paid ten times that for. Live and learn, I guess….

gnite

Definately looks a little shady. I would definately NOT bid on the auction when someone new comes out of the blue and starts bidding high on something like Caldera AND ANOTHER #1 bottle. There is no way to really tell what is going on but if it looks suspicious then stay away, far away!!! Just my $.02…

Hot Sauce Head on 4/1/2006 at 3:13 am said:

Definately looks a little shady. I would definately NOT bid on the auction when someone new comes out of the blue and starts bidding high on something like Caldera AND ANOTHER #1 bottle. There is no way to really tell what is going on but if it looks suspicious then stay away, far away!!! Just my $.02…

how can you say this, when pmac was bidding on the same items…

I know i said i was going to bed, but this just has me worked up and I cant sleep….

thanks for the two cents….

gnite again

Do not regard this comment as a willingness to include myself in this battle. I have no stake in it what so ever. I’m only doing this because I love and respect this venue and it dismays me to see it become a battleground.

I’m not taking anyone’s side by saying this, but…drawing from my experience as an eBay seller with close to 1900 transactions under my belt, I’m going to bring out a fact that seems to have been overlooked.

The bidder in question, “m0nkeychamp”, is not only bidding on seller “capsicumtoo” auctions, he/she is also bidding on two other’s auctions as well. The auctions I’m referring to are…

Item number: 4450630874 (Ended 03/30/06) New York
Item number: 4451288750 (Active) New York
Item number: 4451824841 (Active) Illinois

I’m going to leave it up to all parties involved to draw your own conclusion.

i hate this having to defend myself for something i didnt do, just because someone has come on this and ….

argh…. its too late, and i cant think….

Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 1:02 am said:

Well…it seems that I’m not the only one here with the ability to upset people

Hmmm, let me think about that

Wow, some intersting reading here. I dont think I want to be involved in it cause I see points from both sides. Its a fine line to walk and since everthing gets all exposed here on HSB it makes that even tougher. This buyer monkeywhatever may be up to something, or may be just someone new, someone that is trying to drive the cost up, or someone that bids on items for the heck of it and then backs down knowing they will never win. Some people get like that when they know they cant win. Its kind of like a revenge thing, If I cant have it, well then, you wil need to pay more for it.You need to see if he completes a transaction that he actually wins to be sure. Thats tuff to do because you wont know until you see some feedback for him.

As for a seller listing a bottle for a super-high price, The way I see this, its their choice. They own the bottle and if thats what they feel it will take to have them let it go, then more power to them. Understand that ebay is global and reaches millions of people. HSB is also, but that number is far far fewer. Not all people buying collectible bottles visit or even heard on HSB.

I am not sideing with high prices, I can understand that for most everyone they have certain bottles they will let go for a certain price. To me, part of collecting is giving up something to get something else. Certain bottles are “off limits” and will never be sold, but I would be lying if I would say that I wouldnt part with most of my bottles. Most people have a price, but they wont admit that. I am not talking about intentionally buying to sell here, I am talking about having something in your collection and then deciding to make a change. So, is there harm in putting that out there? If you are willing to sell, but will only accept a certain amount. Yes, there is a reserve, but that deters people sometimes.

Not sure, but if you are willing to part with a bottle thats really the only way to get that news out there.
Until we have a device that allows sellers to post their potential “would sell for this price if offered” bottles, then the only real way right now is to list on ebay and see what happens. Can you say idea here???

Ryan on 3/31/2006 at 10:55 pm said:

Afirmative captain. He still hasn’t even corrected himself on what he claims to be how the contest was supposed to be run.

Perhaps I have, and just didn’t announce it. Ahhh, the cruel veil of non-information.

Ryan on 3/31/2006 at 11:25 pm said:

The only thing fishy about the “caption this” contest is that somebody wanted complete and total conrol over and couldn’t have it. I know a couple people just like that…my kids

Ryan, would it be easier for you if you were just taken out of the contestant pool? Believe it or not, you are still in the running. Yeah, I rewrote the rules a little, and you guys have known me for throwing curveballs, this is another one.

pmac on 3/31/2006 at 11:40 pm said:

Guy, no offence, but you are right, it is a bit harsh, he is just a person, and has ideas, things change, and he has a lot on the go with the Zero mailings and Defcon day, give the poor guy a break, and he has the regular job to contend with, and he does not need to give anything away. It is all in fun, please remember that, this is not to be taken too seriously. Live life laugh have fun, if they don’t like it, F’um!

Sincerely,

pmac

Thank you Pmac, a person who actually understands my reality. I am a bit overwhlemed right now, working 10 hours a day at my day job (which is an hour away, on a good day), my wife, who recently came out of surgery on her arm can’t do anything to help with the company right now, so it’s just me, perhaps this will shed a bit of light on the situation. Christ, when this contest was started it was all in fun, now it has become some twisted obsession, complete with conspiracy theorists and all. This has taken longer than I expected and I apologize, but I also didn’t expect repromands for it. I’ll see Nick today, should I just tell him to pick someone at random and mail them the prize unfinished so as to quell the personal sarcasm which seems directed at me? You tell me.

huvason on 4/1/2006 at 12:10 am said:

Remember - the contest tomorrow is just a chicken wing eating contest. the winner will probably get a t-shirt or something, I’m sure that whatever is going on with the caption contest is MUCH more involved than a simple wing contest for us drunks. I’m not sure what the delay is, but i’m sure it’s going to be worth it:

my 0.02

You are correct, it is a t-shirt and a Defcon Gift Pack.

As for the “Caption This” being off the radar, it isn’t in my estimation. As previously stated, I am currently overwhelmingly busy, and would much rather hand out a really cool prize ‘finished’ than to hand out something less. As far as I am concerned, everyone is still in the running. I have a great idea, everyone take a percocet and wash it down with a shot of Bushmills, we’ll all feel better when we wake up. I would also appreciate it if the conspiracy theorists would stop theorizing, as the theories are laughable at best. By now you know my real feelings, and would appreciate a little empathy. If I could make a 30 hour day I would, and perhaps I’d be a little more caught up, but alas, I have not the power to influence the space-time continuum. (sigh), ok, now where were we?

Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 1:04 am said:

And now I’m left wondering what exactly was said in confidnece that was mentioned by pmac. Was it that a deal was possibly in the works, or was it something in the accusation?…inquiring minds want to know. What say you?

Nothing anything needs to worry about, I still have my thoughts on what is going on. If it is a co-incidence, then I will appologize, however we will never know because there is no way to prove or disprove something like what happened.
There was no deal in the works. It died a week ago. I will however appologize for posting my thoughts on here, I was a little looser than usual with what I say because I have several glasses of wine. My thoughts remain my thoughts, however in the future I will restrain from being so vocal (typal) with them.
Looks like in the heat of the moment I have tarnished my clean image, and made someone probably more than hate me.
I hate alcohol.

I hate alcohol, … sort of

DEFCON Creator on 4/1/2006 at 6:16 am said:

Perhaps I have, and just didn’t announce it. Ahhh, the cruel veil of non-information.

Ryan, would it be easier for you if you were just taken out of the contestant pool? Believe it or not, you are still in the running. Yeah, I rewrote the rules a little, and you guys have known me for throwing curveballs, this is another one.

Thank you Pmac, a person who actually understands my reality. I am a bit overwhlemed right now, working 10 hours a day at my day job (which is an hour away, on a good day), my wife, who recently came out of surgery on her arm can’t do anything to help with the company right now, so it’s just me, perhaps this will shed a bit of light on the situation. Christ, when this contest was started it was all in fun, now it has become some twisted obsession, complete with conspiracy theorists and all. This has taken longer than I expected and I apologize, but I also didn’t expect repromands for it. I’ll see Nick today, should I just tell him to pick someone at random and mail them the prize unfinished so as to quell the personal sarcasm which seems directed at me? You tell me.

You are correct, it is a t-shirt and a Defcon Gift Pack.

As for the “Caption This” being off the radar, it isn’t in my estimation. As previously stated, I am currently overwhelmingly busy, and would much rather hand out a really cool prize ‘finished’ than to hand out something less. As far as I am concerned, everyone is still in the running. I have a great idea, everyone take a percocet and wash it down with a shot of Bushmills, we’ll all feel better when we wake up. I would also appreciate it if the conspiracy theorists would stop theorizing, as the theories are laughable at best. By now you know my real feelings, and would appreciate a little empathy. If I could make a 30 hour day I would, and perhaps I’d be a little more caught up, but alas, I have not the power to influence the space-time continuum. (sigh), ok, now where were we?

Well, thank you for the insight Creator, as in the caption contest, no harm was meant. We understand the creatness and he temporary setback and certainly do feel compassion for her. This is a tough group and we never let anything slide here on HSB and only wanted some much needed answers.

As for the “conspiracy theorists”, I actually like them, the twist adds a bit more to the mystery

Oh, and yes, I need to add my own mystery here. Since I am only an hour and a half away will I be attending? Hmmm, since no one ever saw me you will never know. I make take some direction from you and lurk in the shadows for a bit and just observe. Have fun but remember, you never know whos watching ha ha (my sinister laugh)

Hmmm, it is April 1st was this a whole ploy to stir the waters just in good fun, not sure we will ever know, but it is another theory.

chris k on 4/1/2006 at 8:23 am said:

Well, thank you for the insight Creator, as in the caption contest, no harm was meant. We understand the creatness and he temporary setback and certainly do feel compassion for her. This is a tough group and we never let anything slide here on HSB and only wanted some much needed answers.

As for the “conspiracy theorists”, I actually like them, the twist adds a bit more to the mystery

Oh, and yes, I need to add my own mystery here. Since I am only an hour and a half away will I be attending? Hmmm, since no one ever saw me you will never know. I make take some direction from you and lurk in the shadows for a bit and just observe. Have fun but remember, you never know whos watching ha ha (my sinister laugh)

Hmmm, it is April 1st was this a whole ploy to stir the waters just in good fun, not sure we will ever know, but it is another theory.

Thanks Chris, and I would be honored if yet another blogger showed up, it really is kinda cool. Looks like it’s gonna be a beautiful day for a road trip as well. Lurk all you want, and join in on the DEFCON #1 wing eating contest, I do so enjoy seeing individuals writhe in pain from our culinary masterpieces.

I understand it’s a rough crowd, and I can hang with the best of them. I just don’t luxuriate in my intentions being twisted around and thrown back at me, as if I’d done something to deserve it. I consider it water under the bridge at this point.

DEFCON Creator on 4/1/2006 at 8:59 am said:

Thanks Chris, and I would be honored if yet another blogger showed up, it really is kinda cool. Looks like it’s gonna be a beautiful day for a road trip as well. Lurk all you want, and join in on the DEFCON #1 wing eating contest, I do so enjoy seeing individuals writhe in pain from our culinary masterpieces.

I understand it’s a rough crowd, and I can hang with the best of them. I just don’t luxuriate in my intentions being twisted around and thrown back at me, as if I’d done something to deserve it. I consider it water under the bridge at this point.

OK, then lets carry on and enjoy the day. Not sure if I will be there, but you never know ha ha

chris k on 4/1/2006 at 8:23 am said:

Well, thank you for the insight Creator, as in the caption contest, no harm was meant. We understand the creatness and he temporary setback and certainly do feel compassion for her. This is a tough group and we never let anything slide here on HSB and only wanted some much needed answers.

As for the “conspiracy theorists”, I actually like them, the twist adds a bit more to the mystery

Oh, and yes, I need to add my own mystery here. Since I am only an hour and a half away will I be attending? Hmmm, since no one ever saw me you will never know. I make take some direction from you and lurk in the shadows for a bit and just observe. Have fun but remember, you never know whos watching ha ha (my sinister laugh)

Hmmm, it is April 1st was this a whole ploy to stir the waters just in good fun, not sure we will ever know, but it is another theory.

An hour and a half away! Your closer than me!. SAddle up man, and head EAST (in our case )

OMG!!! you guys have been busy..I just read ALL the above and I feel like its a soap opera instead of a blog “AS THE SAUCE TURNS”

I am getting tired of all the hate here, lets all play nice. There is no way we can know all the stuff going on in others lives just by what is posted here. I dont think anyone here is trying to screw anyone. We all get busy and cant always let everyone know what else is happening in our lives to combat what they are saying here. Unfortunately, all the termoil is going on by some of my favorite people here and it is killing me.

I love you guys…cant we all get along?

Jeff at taste the pain….your awesome…I have bought and talked to you on the phone before. I got some killer stuff from you and am EXCITED to see you here with us….please dont go

CREATOR…keep up the good work!!! I will be looking for batch 3 and the moms said that the defcon #2 was the best sauce she has ever had!!

That took forever to read, my only thought is, where is the Chilehead brothered? Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and actions. My wife taught me that even if you don’t agree with someone or something, you have to understand that everyone needs to say, feel and do what they believe to be right and that you might not always agree or understand. Being able to see thru that is what is most important. Rememmber the words from the “Master” Blair, Karma, he let all those cutting room floors go to contestants when he didn’t have to because of Karma. Karma will govern all of our actions and spoken thoughts, so lets rememmber to follow good karma and let others do, feel and say what they need to. I believe you reap what you sow and that therin lies the benefit for all around good and fair living. I don’t me to preach or be mispoken, but I agree with Eman all the way.

huvason on 4/1/2006 at 9:11 am said:

An hour and a half away! Your closer than me!. SAddle up man, and head EAST (in our case )

its NE for me

Cheffy, I 2nd that

“Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and actions. My wife taught me that even if you don’t agree with someone or something, you have to understand that everyone needs to say, feel and do what they believe to be right and that you might not always agree or understand. Being able to see thru that is what is most important.”

Thanks E-man and Cheffy, ’tis true, you reap what you sow. Through the Valley of Misdirected Hostility, even the little lost soul will find the correct path of understanding to another’s reality. Wow, that was deep…Well, time to load up the DUV (Defcon Utility Vehicle) and feed the masses. I’ll throw Nick some pics from today so you can all enjoy.

DEFCON Creator on 4/1/2006 at 11:02 am said:

Thanks E-man and Cheffy, ’tis true, you reap what you sow. Through the Valley of Misdirected Hostility, even the little lost soul will find the correct path of understanding to another’s reality. Wow, that was deep…Well, time to load up the DUV (Defcon Utility Vehicle) and feed the masses. I’ll throw Nick some pics from today so you can all enjoy.

Have fun today. We have hot sauce demo going today DEECON is on the table plus a few old standby with.

Cheffy on 4/1/2006 at 10:29 am said:

That took forever to read, my only thought is, where is the Chilehead brothered? Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and actions. My wife taught me that even if you don’t agree with someone or something, you have to understand that everyone needs to say, feel and do what they believe to be right and that you might not always agree or understand. Being able to see thru that is what is most important. Rememmber the words from the “Master” Blair, Karma, he let all those cutting room floors go to contestants when he didn’t have to because of Karma. Karma will govern all of our actions and spoken thoughts, so lets rememmber to follow good karma and let others do, feel and say what they need to. I believe you reap what you sow and that therin lies the benefit for all around good and fair living. I don’t me to preach or be mispoken, but I agree with Eman all the way.

Right on Cheffy! I am completely in the Karma boat too!

I have appologised to an extent via an e-mail to capsicum at ttp, I do expect a return of an f-you. I do not expect any one to pay attention to the ramblings of a man under the influence of mmmm tasty wine
However, i do regret vocalising my opinions, it could have/should have been handled a little bit better on my end.

pmac is sorry for the turn of events, this is my official public appology to capsicum at ttp. As eman stated, he has done alot of things with him and NEVER a hitch, as many others too i am sure!!!!
I will not stop posting, but I will never do something publicly like that again. To the missus, sorry I ruined your night. I hope it got better after a bit.

I just woke up and still working on my first cup of coffee, so please bare with me.

Creator - The time in which you are taking in making the prize for the caption this contest has not bothered me. I am truly sorryif that is how it seemed. This is a point that I have tried to make over and over, but it seems that I have failed in making that clear. I don’t know about everyone else, but I of all people understand what it is like to have litte time to do things. On top of a day job at an ever growing company where the work load has gone far beyond what my supervisor and I could ever hope to handle without living at the office, I am husband, father of two, and have recently started some projects involving hot sauce. I have empathy for you in regards to time constriction and your wife not being able to help out. There have been times where my wife has had medical problems of one sort or another and was not able to help much.

In regards to the conspiracy theory, it is only human nature to guess about the unknown. When the caption this contest was posted by Nick, the process in which the a winner would be decided was made very clear. Upon your return from NM, without any word from the one that put the contest together, you had TOTALLY changed everything. I was not upset by my disqualification. If I need to prove this, I still have the e-mails Nick and I exchanged that morning. I felt it was not right to take Nick’s contest and change it to suit you. When Chris and I made posts questioning your taking over this contest, the only response either of us ever got was more about how you were running the show now. I can appreciate your use of vaguery and mild deception. It is somewhat amusing when you’re the one on the giving end. I guess its like the age old question -What came first, the chicken or the egg?- Without definitive answers, one is left with no choice but to make the best guess possible. In this case, my questions were met with comments that did not anwser them, or received “silence” so to speak. I was dealt the cards, and I played my hand best I could without knowing what the other players are holding.

To wrap this up. I do not hate you, and a lot of what is going on I do understand and sympathize. I have been trying to figure out what is going on the best way I know how. Granted it is not my place to do so, but I try to look out for everybody and when things started to look shady, I felt that everyone should have a better idea of what was going down. Its cool to keep things a surprise, but some of what you have posted has been misleading, and somewhat spiteful (going back to when you came back from NM). I don’t need to be in the running for the Caption This contest, but if you still want to include me, that’s cool too. Trying to play games with peoples’ minds is a dangerous game to play because it often ends up backfiring, or creates certain misgivings. I am a man of little faith, and have no faith in the unknown. My comments have been in an attempt to slight you, but to fulfill a need to know what is really happening. I am sorry for coming off any other way.

Eman - It has become a soap opera and I am guilty for assisting in creating this drama. Because of this blog, I have come to enjoy the “company” of all here. Because of that, I try to in a way protect those people. In my efforts to do so I have becom over zealous and done just the opposite. We all know that when it comes to Ebay, there are in fact some shady people out there. I admit I had suspicions about Jeff. When I read what Pmac posted last night, it somewhat gave validity to what I had been thinking as well and let my thoughts be known. It was not intended to harm anyone, but share information with others for the better good. After reading Jeff’s response, I attempted to explain why I thought he was a man I had met and did apologize for the confusion. I am very cautious about who I buy from on Ebay and do not want to see anyone get burned. I am not the only, or the first to do this, and I won’t be the last either. There are people on here that I do consider to be friends, and I tend to look out for my friends as I would hope they would do for me.

Jeff - I know I said this last night, but I’ll say it again. You are more than welcome to post here all you like, and I thank you for posting last night. I think what would have been more damaging to your professional reputation would have been to say nothing at all. You’ve cleared the air in my book and hope you continue to visit the blog and comment with the rest of us.

Cheffy - Karma does play a big part in our day to day lives. For that reason, I have felt that if things weren’t questioned, the truth may never be known about some things and everybody deserves the right to know. My intentions were not to appear as many of you have seen me, but even the best of intentions sometimes end in the worst results. There is a brotherhood here, a rather eclectic one at that. Some people (like myself) need to be taken with a grain of salt and I thank those of you that have. I wish no ill will on anyone here, even Creator. I am sorry for going about things in the manner of which I have.

To All - I’m sorry for posting this long-ass post. Please take a moment to stretch, grab a cup of coffee, down some hot sauce, whatever gets your rocks off. May you have a great day, and may you enjoy being on the receiving end of any and all pranks this April Fools Day.

Ryan Davis

pmac, I am sure that capsicum understands that when things look fishy you have to sometimes think or in ths case type out loud to put it all together, thankfully he was around to put in his words and straighten things out on his end. I am sure your email will put things to rest. as someone who supports her hubby is his somewhat crazy hot sauce obsession, I am glad that you guys point these “fishy” things out so we can draw our own conclusions. It will save a lot of time with everyone looking out for each other.

Correction to part of my last post. My comments have NOT been in an attempt to slight you. Sorry, still waking up and I missed a word.

Holly shit Ryan, that has to be the longest Letter(short novel) i have ever seen on the Blog LOL. That made my day, i read every other line and still took minutes to read haha.
Peace.
Mrs.Ryan, wanna tell my Mrs.pmac how you support him, she is short of kicking my ass sometimes (and she probably could do it with a 2nd place BBuilding trophy to back that up
I am afraid of her sometimes

To the original point of the thread, Nick you can add #14 to the list for N-59

Pmac, trust me, its difficult for her to support me. I keep wanting to spend our money that we’re saving for our trip to TX and if I did she would surely kill me, take the insuance money and just move there

dear mrs.pmac,
I am writing this to you because of a request made by your hubby. He would like me to tell you how I support my hubby in his hot sauce collecting craze. It’s quite easy my dear…… Is there something you need or want, make a deal, he gets the sauce you get the diamond(collect the diamond before he gets the hot sauce) see quite easy:D make a wish list of things you want and for every sauce he gets hand him the list with a huge smile and send him out to get it. if the sauce is inexpensive, make sure you have a few things that are inexpensive on the list. hope this helps pmac

Mrs.Ryan

Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 1:07 pm said:

Pmac, trust me, its difficult for her to support me. I keep wanting to spend our money that we’re saving for our trip to TX and if I did she would surely kill me, take the insuance money and just move there

I would hire mrs.pmac and her BBuilding trophy to that dear

So Pmac…would you like to assist in the assasination of my dear beloved wife?

haha you two are funny

I think he may be quite serious so pmac how much does your wife charge for assault on a husband?

Pmac, you don’t understand the seriousness of this. She owns have of one of my most prized sauces…she MUST be eliminated…

Fee? Free! She loves the martial arts thing always mentioning she wants to start up again, used to box too. I kinda think we should get her signed up again might talk to her tonight about that. I am at work right now.

HALF…not have

Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 1:22 pm said:

Pmac, you don’t understand the seriousness of this. She owns have of one of my most prized sauces…she MUST be eliminated…

Which one, who is willing to offer the other half first … this will determine who we side with

LOL! *evil grin* and I’ll never give up my half……although there is this nice opal at the jewelers….

See what I mean?

Mrs.Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 1:25 pm said:

LOL! *evil grin* and I’ll never give up my half……although there is this nice opal at the jewelers….

So what bottle are you two partners in? i am curious now.

Its an N-59

Here is the update best i can find, as this is the original reason (one of em) for this post

N-59 Owners:
#7 - eBay
#8 - Jeff
#10 - HSB
#13 - Chief Greg
#14 - pmac
#19 Mad_Reilly
#29 - huvason
#35 - cheffy
#37 MSK
#42 - pmac (eBay)
#43 Erric J
#44 - pmac
#46 - cheffy’s partner (business)

I am still looking for owner of #40. I have #44 to trade for it if you like double digits, #14 is waiting for laneS to speak up.

Ryan wanna give us the number for the list?

#25

the list should read Mrs.Ryan and ryan #25

Considering she has a 1/2 ct diamond on her finger, 1.5 ct ruby on another, matching 1.5 ct rubies in each ear (with accent diamonds) and an opal pendant with unusual characteristics, I just let her THINK she owns half of it…I keep score

N-59 Owners:
#7 - eBay
#8 - Jeff
#10 - HSB
#13 - Chief Greg
#14 - pmac
#19 - Mad_Reilly
#25 - Mr&Mrs Ryan 50/50
#29 - huvason
#35 - cheffy
#37 MSK
#42 - pmac (eBay)
#43 Erric J
#44 - pmac
#46 - cheffy’s partner (business)
There we go!

he thinks he will thwart my plans for the other half of this bottle…..he will only own the whole thing when I own the opal ring. wow looks like a great list. it would be even better to know where the others N-59’s are.

Well would ya lookie here!! I have #40 N-59!!! Fancy that!

Bugger!!!you didn’t know i am collector of all things #40?
e-mail me d00d if you are willing to help a brother out

pmac on 4/1/2006 at 2:51 pm said:

Bugger!!!you didn’t know i am collector of all things #40?
e-mail me d00d if you are willing to help a brother out

APRIL FOOLS!!

You fu**er but it is after noon so the jokes on you.

enlighten me…whats noon got to do with it??

the saying I have heard, is that if you pull an april fools after noon… the jokes on you.
It is corney, but i guess the jokes should be over with so people can get on with their day. Just a saying I have head for years.

Well , jokes on me anyway! I don’t even have an N-59…

quoting pmac..”Just a saying I have head for years”….Nice

hahah okie typo , silly keybroad.

well you had all the guys envious for a second pmac.:P

Hello Mrs. Ryan!! Welcome to the blog!!

ps, be careful on here…ther’s this Ryan guy that always picks on people. Don’t worry..I’ve got yer back!

awww thanks Tracy, I’ve heard of him…or at least read him, kind of a long winded fellow isn’t he, and thanks for the welcome

Judas priest…this is what I get for working on a weekend…

Cajohn thanks for the call. Hope your enjoying yourself. The guy you were talking too bought all your stuff plus a N-59 and a b-99 @ 6am. Plus about anther 90 other sauces. He said he had fun at your place yesterday.

Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 3:40 pm said:

Judas priest…this is what I get for working on a weekend…

Ryan, if you are ever headed down to the coast on a weekend, or any day for that matter, stop by our restaurant in Manzanita (Left Coast Siesta Mexican Food) Try some salsa, have a beer, and maybe I will show you my collection

Just drive down the main street of town and look for the neon Hot Sauce sign in the window.

capsicum at ttp on 4/1/2006 at 9:13 pm said:

Ryan, if you are ever headed down to the coast on a weekend, or any day for that matter, stop by our restaurant in Manzanita (Left Coast Siesta Mexican Food) Try some salsa, have a beer, and maybe I will show you my collection

Just drive down the main street of town and look for the neon Hot Sauce sign in the window.

I appreciate the offer very much, Jeff. Probably won’t be until August that I’m down that way, but I’ll keep it in mind. Thank you again, and thanks for continuing to comment here.

Awwwww…see..we are all friends now.

ATTN: Mrs.Ryan and Mrs.pmac
if you want to know a true “wife”chilihead…mrseman just spent another $200 of HER babysitting money for HER CaJohns collection and came home and put them in HER cabinet

now thats a woman…I LOVE YOU HONEY!!!!!!

eman on 4/1/2006 at 10:28 pm said:

Awwwww…see..we are all friends now.

ATTN: Mrs.Ryan and Mrs.pmac
if you want to know a true “wife”chilihead…mrseman just spent another $200 of HER babysitting money for HER CaJohns collection and came home and put them in HER cabinet

now thats a woman…I LOVE YOU HONEY!!!!!!

So what are you saying Eman, my wife’s not good enough?

Mrs.eman congrats on your new acquisitions!! …..eman, I am sorry to say that although I love my husband and support his hot sauce collection, I’ll stick to my hobby of hair and metal/agate purses. I will however continue to threaten to beat the crap out of my darling hubby if he doesn’t buy the bottles I think he should have. and btw I had to talk him into zest fest, I am working overtime to make sure we can go and so is he ….. that’s as close to being a chilihead as i’ll ever be.

nope…just trying to let them know they are not crazy for supporting their husband in this crazy endevor…
now that i read what i wrote…id did not come off that way

just trying to encourage them!!!!!

way to go ladys!!!!

Mrs.Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 10:37 pm said:

Mrs.eman congrats on your new acquisitions!! …..eman, I am sorry to say that although I love my husband and support his hot sauce collection, I’ll stick to my hobby of hair and metal/agate purses. I will however continue to threaten to beat the crap out of my darling hubby if he doesn’t buy the bottles I think he should have. and btw I had to talk him into zest fest, I am working overtime to make sure we can go and so is he ….. that’s as close to being a chilihead as i’ll ever be.

lol lol

that is SOOOOO awesome!!!!!! mrseman is actualy babysitting right now to buy some other bottles she wants or she would chime in…she defently gets a kick out of some of your husbands comments…she is always laughing when reading this blog and telling me to read what Ryan posted

We are very happy to here you will be jouning us for ZestFest. I think most of the people here will be there!

Mrs.Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 10:37 pm said:

Mrs.eman congrats on your new acquisitions!! …..eman, I am sorry to say that although I love my husband and support his hot sauce collection, I’ll stick to my hobby of hair and metal/agate purses. I will however continue to threaten to beat the crap out of my darling hubby if he doesn’t buy the bottles I think he should have. and btw I had to talk him into zest fest, I am working overtime to make sure we can go and so is he ….. that’s as close to being a chilihead as i’ll ever be.

Oh yeah, just for the record i have #53 n-59

eman on 4/1/2006 at 10:37 pm said:

nope…just trying to let them know they are not crazy for supporting their husband in this crazy endevor…
now that i read what i wrote…id did not come off that way

just trying to encourage them!!!!!

way to go ladys!!!!

I know man, just being a little shit (nothing new)

Mrs.Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 10:37 pm said:

Mrs.eman congrats on your new acquisitions!! …..eman, I am sorry to say that although I love my husband and support his hot sauce collection, I’ll stick to my hobby of hair and metal/agate purses. I will however continue to threaten to beat the crap out of my darling hubby if he doesn’t buy the bottles I think he should have. and btw I had to talk him into zest fest, I am working overtime to make sure we can go and so is he ….. that’s as close to being a chilihead as i’ll ever be.

Its true, I feel a little guilty at times because I spend so much on myself and she pushes me to do it. After I’ve bought it I remember all the jewelry I’ve had made for her, so then I feel better

eman on 4/1/2006 at 10:41 pm said:

lol lol

that is SOOOOO awesome!!!!!! mrseman is actualy babysitting right now to buy some other bottles she wants or she would chime in…she defently gets a kick out of some of your husbands comments…she is always laughing when reading this blog and telling me to read what Ryan posted

That’s so cool. I have to say that as much as I would love it if she collected too, but we have a limited income and frankly there’s room for only one collection in this house…MINE

He is just lucky I can leave my hobby at work!!!! ok most of it other than what I have shoved in the bathroom cabinets. Mrs.eman you rawk! good luck on getting all those other bottles you want for your collection, I am looking forward to meeting all of you at zestfest

Just look for the “other” guy with a helmet on ….and pushing a 3 month old

eman on 4/1/2006 at 10:54 pm said:

Just look for the “other” guy with a helmet on ….and pushing a 3 month old

LOL. I was actually planning on buying my daughter a new helmet so I could keep the pink one, sign it, and bring it to zest fest!

LOL! omg Ryan was telling me he should bring his helmet, I winder if I could pass him off as handicapped and get upgraded to first class

eman on 4/1/2006 at 10:54 pm said:

Just look for the “other” guy with a helmet on ….and pushing a 3 month old

you guys will look so cute. although you’ll have to have a “baby” helmet for babyeman

Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 10:56 pm said:

LOL. I was actually planning on buying my daughter a new helmet so I could keep the pink one, sign it, and bring it to zest fest!

oh yeah….hey..i heard that Captian Capsicum might be there..have you herd anything about this?

I wonder…not I winder….Ryan’s bad spelling is rubbing off on me

eman on 4/1/2006 at 10:58 pm said:

oh yeah….hey..i heard that Captian Capsicum might be there..have you herd anything about this?

There’s been rumor in the “Underground” that he may make an appearance…I’ll have to ready my arsenal

Mrs.Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 10:57 pm said:

LOL! omg Ryan was telling me he should bring his helmet, I winder if I could pass him off as handicapped and get upgraded to first class

you guys will look so cute. although you’ll have to have a “baby” helmet for babyeman

From what I have herd Ryan does not need a helmet to pass for handicapped…lol…sorry, couldn’t resist

I will deffinitely have a costume for the baby..and helmet

Mrs.Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 10:58 pm said:

I wonder…not I winder….Ryan’s bad spelling is rubbing off on me

Its the only rubbing on her she’ll let me do these days :-P:-(

Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 11:01 pm said:

Its the only rubbing on her she’ll let me do these days :-P:-(

ROFLMAO…..now that is good!

Laugh it up you two Ryan your sitting a little close to be typin crap it’s all good I have many ebay items now LOVE YOU LOL

Mrs.Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 11:15 pm said:

Laugh it up you two Ryan your sitting a little close to be typin crap it’s all good I have many ebay items now LOVE YOU LOL

and I loe you too

Mrs.Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 11:15 pm said:

Laugh it up you two Ryan your sitting a little close to be typin crap it’s all good I have many ebay items now LOVE YOU LOL

hummm…how many things can i get from that comment

LOL depends on what your lookin for and if the price is right…..I do have to get to texas ya know

Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 11:18 pm said:

and I loe you too

that was supposed to say “loVe”. years ago the cat pulled my V key off with his claw and it hasn’t been the same since. there was no underlying message there

OOOOOOOps I meant WE have to get there LOL sadly i don’t think i could sell anything he has, I have become attached too guess I’ll keep working

Mrs.Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 11:20 pm said:

LOL depends on what your lookin for and if the price is right…..I do have to get to texas ya know

as Kip would say “now thats what i’m talkin’ about”

Mrs.Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 11:22 pm said:

OOOOOOOps I meant WE have to get there LOL sadly i don’t think i could sell anything he has, I have become attached too guess I’ll keep working

and I didn’t even have to lay the smack down on here

HER, hot here…I’ve been working on the computer too long today

Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 11:23 pm said:

HER, hot here…I’ve been working on the computer too long today

thats it..teach that woman who is boss…umm..i mean be nice to her

yeah be nice to me or i’ll fold you into a suitcase and you can fly in the cargo hold to zest fest while I enjoy the roominess of first class….LOL lay the smackdown whatever *rolls eyes*

Mrs.Ryan on 4/1/2006 at 11:50 pm said:

yeah be nice to me or i’ll fold you into a suitcase and you can fly in the cargo hold to zest fest while I enjoy the roominess of first class….LOL lay the smackdown whatever *rolls eyes*

dam…i see who wears the pants in that family!!!

don’t worry ryan, I haven’t worn the pants since we got married and before that….she just let me think i wore them

I think I will refer to the new addition to the eman clan, as minneman!

pmac on 4/2/2006 at 12:02 am said:

I think I will refer to the new addition to the eman clan, as minneman!

lol…lol

“minny eman, don’t hump the lazer” lol lol

eman on 4/1/2006 at 11:59 pm said:

dam…i see who wears the pants in that family!!!

don’t worry ryan, I haven’t worn the pants since we got married and before that….she just let me think i wore them

LOL way to go mrs.eman

Mrs.Ryan on 4/2/2006 at 12:10 am said:

LOL way to go mrs.eman

She only wears the pants cause she steals them from my dresser!

I think the saying goes a little like this…
I wear the pants in the family, …The skirt rules….
or like this…
I’m the man of the house,… when she isnt around.

ROFL pmac, your a very smart man. and Ryan if the pants fit….I am gonna wear them

Hey pmac, I replied to your e-mail ending in ruci.com and it was bounced back to me with a failure notice

Mrs.Ryan on 4/2/2006 at 12:22 am said:

ROFL pmac, your a very smart man. and Ryan if the pants fit….I am gonna wear them

I would comment about this, but I’m pretty sure it would resuld in the first HSB divorce

Mrs.Ryan on 4/2/2006 at 12:22 am said:

ROFL pmac, your a very smart man. and Ryan if the pants fit….I am gonna wear them

have you ever heard “the man song” Mrs Ryan?

Ryan on 4/2/2006 at 12:24 am said:

I would comment about this, but I’m pretty sure it would resuld in the first HSB divorce

I wonder how we would split that N-59?

Ryan on 4/2/2006 at 12:24 am said:

I would comment about this, but I’m pretty sure it would resuld in the first HSB divorce

don’t do that…you will loose half your hot sauce!! lol

Mrs.Ryan on 4/2/2006 at 12:27 am said:

I wonder how we would split that N-59?

ryan gets the box and you get whats inside!!

eman on 4/2/2006 at 12:26 am said:

have you ever heard “the man song” Mrs Ryan?

No I don’t think so……should I?

eman on 4/2/2006 at 12:29 am said:

ryan gets the box and you get whats inside!!

well then ok

Ryan on 4/2/2006 at 12:22 am said:

Hey pmac, I replied to your e-mail ending in ruci.com and it was bounced back to me with a failure notice

ruci.ca not com

eman on 4/2/2006 at 12:29 am said:

ryan gets the box and you get whats inside!!

nothing but air inside it right now

pmac on 4/2/2006 at 12:30 am said:

ruci.ca not com

oh opps, still, it didn’t go through. the rogers.com is still good though right?

Mrs.Ryan on 4/2/2006 at 12:30 am said:

No I don’t think so……should I?

well then ok

YES, it is hillarious…it is so true…i think shawn morey sings it. He is a commedian on BOB and TOM in the morning

OK THAT’S IT I am putting it back in the box ha ha LOL