Good morning everyone! It’s gonna be 20 degrees cooler today, ahhhh sweet relief!

Good review Clint, looks very much like a kicked up sweet sauce. I think it’s too early for me to think about sweet. Oh, wait, no it’s not, yodels for breakfast! Yum.

kristi on 8/4/2006 at 7:15 am said:

Good morning everyone! It’s gonna be 20 degrees cooler today, ahhhh sweet relief!

Good review Clint, looks very much like a kicked up sweet sauce. I think it’s too early for me to think about sweet. Oh, wait, no it’s not, yodels for breakfast! Yum.

Good Morning Kristi! Hey, I never got that email last night.

DK on 8/4/2006 at 7:28 am said:

Good Morning Kristi! Hey, I never got that email last night.

Ok, sorry DK, I’ll send it from a differant address.

DK on 8/4/2006 at 7:28 am said:

Good Morning Kristi! Hey, I never got that email last night.

Dk still no email. did you get mine email.

Nick Lindauer on 8/4/2006 at 8:34 am said:

Guys - Please try to keep the comments regarding emails & misc in the Off Topic section or the HSB Forum.

Sorry Nick. Leroy sorry also.

This review just made me want mcdonalds chicken nuggets lol with this sauce

What happened to the Cafe Tequila thread?

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 3:42 pm said:

What happened to the Cafe Tequila thread?

Ryan look what you did.

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 3:42 pm said:

What happened to the Cafe Tequila thread?

somebody stole it!

Don’t tell me Original Juan filed a complaint. If that’s the case, you reap what you sew buddy. That’s directed at OJ of course.

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 3:43 pm said:

Ryan look what you did.

what I did? Hey now, all I did was state my opinions and and discussed options that Cafe Tequila could have used to their advantage had they been more prepared in the beginning. That’s what I would have done

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 3:43 pm said:

Ryan look what you did.

Were under attack. From OJ everybody to battle station dive dive dive

Tracy C on 8/4/2006 at 3:44 pm said:

somebody stole it!

It was Original Juan, in the study, with the lead pipe

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 3:47 pm said:

what I did? Hey now, all I did was state my opinions and and discussed options that Cafe Tequila could have used to their advantage had they been more prepared in the beginning. That’s what I would have done

OJ got a court order to stop the thread.

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 3:47 pm said:

Were under attack. From OJ everybody to battle station dive dive dive

LOL this is definitely a case where the pen is mightier than the sword.

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 3:48 pm said:

OJ got a court order to stop the thread.

this isn’t a case of “if the glove doesn’t fit, you must aquit” wait, wrong OJ

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 3:49 pm said:

LOL this is definitely a case where the pen is mightier than the sword.

Sorry everybody Leroy playing around with that I B M thing he got from Billy Bob and the dog ran buy and he hit the delete button and BAM the thread was gone.

where did the article originate anyway?

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 3:57 pm said:

Sorry everybody Leroy playing around with that I B M thing he got from Billy Bob and the dog ran buy and he hit the delete button and BAM the thread was gone.

DAMMIT LEROY! Don’t make me take away yer tooth! there’ll be no more skunk for you to snack on if this happens again

Has Nick been abducted by the censor police???

Tracy C on 8/4/2006 at 3:59 pm said:

where did the article originate anyway?

Its on Cafe Tequila’s website

Tracy C on 8/4/2006 at 4:01 pm said:

Has Nick been abducted by the censor police???

He’s probably in negotiations with OJ

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 4:07 pm said:

He’s probably in negotiations with OJ

Yeah, like if ya don’t remove the thread, we’re gonna send bubba to bust yo head!!

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 4:00 pm said:

DAMMIT LEROY! Don’t make me take away yer tooth! there’ll be no more skunk for you to snack on if this happens again

Duh ok

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 4:00 pm said:

DAMMIT LEROY! Don’t make me take away yer tooth! there’ll be no more skunk for you to snack on if this happens again

But she a pretty dog.

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 4:41 pm said:

But she a pretty dog.

I thought I done told ya not to be have’n them kind of thoughts about the animals…except the sheep…they tend to push back so its ok

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 4:00 pm said:

DAMMIT LEROY! Don’t make me take away yer tooth! there’ll be no more skunk for you to snack on if this happens again

Mister Ryan don’t tell DK what I did our he won’t let play with his chickens when I go there. Thank you Leroy. Give me five. Oh I forgot give me four.

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 4:45 pm said:

Mister Ryan don’t tell DK what I did our he won’t let play with his chickens when I go there. Thank you Leroy. Give me five. Oh I forgot give me four.

Yer secret’s safe with me

Ok I’m out of here. I have too walk home because somebody I know drank all the swamp buggy juice. Catch you later. LEROY GET OVER HERE AND PUT THAT DOWN YOU DON’T KNOW WHO THAT CAME OUT OF.

On a side not pertaining to this thread, I just read the review and have only this to say:

A lot of people criticize the graphics of the label on the sauce they are reviewing. Yes, some do look a little more appealing than others. BUT… not all of you know how much work goes into designing a product label. In my personal opinion, there is nothing wrong with this label. The artist did a great job of making a label that fits the title of the product. Its not uncommon that a manufacturer will be rather vague about what they want, and the artist will litterally have to pull something out of his ass and go from there based on the title of the product. The sauce is titled “Habanero Punch”. The personification of the Hab is great in the fact that it looks like a boxer that has gone a few rounds, and the whole boxer thing itself is perfect for the title. I happen to like this label. If you’re going to call this “gimicky”, then all of Blair’s Death Sauces should be considered gimicky as well. All of his bottles (except the sexabi and old style labels) all have a cartoonish skeleton holding peppers. the idea and presentation are no better than this sauce, difference is Blair is a bigger name in the industry and nobody dares to think twice about his labels. Thanks for reading

I still like my labels better

What happened to the review of the sauce did we forget about that? ummm sounds to me like it is not worth buying nobody is saying anything about it wow that stinks

huvason on 8/4/2006 at 5:18 pm said:

I still like my labels better

Me too

the truth on 8/4/2006 at 5:18 pm said:

What happened to the review of the sauce did we forget about that? ummm sounds to me like it is not worth buying nobody is saying anything about it wow that stinks

That’s an individual decision. There’s been plenty of comments about the review. Reading is a wonderful thing.

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 5:25 pm said:

Me too

Me three

yea..ok ryan….lets just talk here for a min.about gimicky from your comments sounds like to me you had something to do with the making of this bottle..and Yes it is a gimick bottle .Noway any store would put this product on there shelf for anything else put a gag gift if you want to make it in a very competitive buss you need more than a gimick my angry young boy

I’ll be back later I have too go find Leroy. We got a ride with Pig farmer and I got out at our house and Leroy Stay on . I hope the Pigs our OK.

the truth on 8/4/2006 at 5:53 pm said:

yea..ok ryan….lets just talk here for a min.about gimicky from your comments sounds like to me you had something to do with the making of this bottle..and Yes it is a gimick bottle .Noway any store would put this product on there shelf for anything else put a gag gift if you want to make it in a very competitive buss you need more than a gimick my angry young boy

Ryan should I take this one. Hell with Leroy this sounds better.

the truth on 8/4/2006 at 5:53 pm said:

yea..ok ryan….lets just talk here for a min.about gimicky from your comments sounds like to me you had something to do with the making of this bottle..and Yes it is a gimick bottle .Noway any store would put this product on there shelf for anything else put a gag gift if you want to make it in a very competitive buss you need more than a gimick my angry young boy

“Angry Young Boy” Would that be a good gimicky name for a hot sauce label??? The label could have Ryan on there with a real pissed off look on his face. By the way, im just playin Ryan. But I think it would be a cool bottle.

the truth on 8/4/2006 at 5:53 pm said:

yea..ok ryan….lets just talk here for a min.about gimicky from your comments sounds like to me you had something to do with the making of this bottle..and Yes it is a gimick bottle .Noway any store would put this product on there shelf for anything else put a gag gift if you want to make it in a very competitive buss you need more than a gimick my angry young boy

Hate to burst your bubble, but I had nothing to do with this bottle. I simply appreciate the work of other artists, much like many hot sauce manufacturers appreciate others in the industry. And when you get right down to it, all labels and packaging is gimicky. Its there to make it appealing to a target audience in hopes that it sells. Some do better than other, no doubt about that, but all labels are gimicks.

the truth on 8/4/2006 at 5:53 pm said:

yea..ok ryan….lets just talk here for a min.about gimicky from your comments sounds like to me you had something to do with the making of this bottle..and Yes it is a gimick bottle .Noway any store would put this product on there shelf for anything else put a gag gift if you want to make it in a very competitive buss you need more than a gimick my angry young boy

First thing first. Go too Junglejims you have to add the dot and the com web sit and find the hot sauce section. then we will talk.

Scott on 8/4/2006 at 6:00 pm said:

“Angry Young Boy” Would that be a good gimicky name for a hot sauce label??? The label could have Ryan on there with a real pissed off look on his face. By the way, im just playin Ryan. But I think it would be a cool bottle.

I’ll buy 2cs for the store

Scott on 8/4/2006 at 6:00 pm said:

“Angry Young Boy” Would that be a good gimicky name for a hot sauce label??? The label could have Ryan on there with a real pissed off look on his face. By the way, im just playin Ryan. But I think it would be a cool bottle.

I like “pink little helmet” better, you know, make it a mild sauce for amateurs

look guys…. if you want to sell afew hot sauce bottles than ok gimicks are good if you are looking to be big…. gimick just dont cut it..and by the way if your buying a hot sauce for what the label looks like you then must be a collector of good looking labels cause you cant taste a lable. and for me if you have a great tasting sauce and want to sell alot of it better come up with great no gimick lable..(can anyone tell me of a sauce that has a gimick lable that sells alot?) oooh and besides blair cause as far as that goes i will never understand you guys going nuts over that stuff…..

“..(can anyone tell me of a sauce that has a gimick lable that sells alot?)”

There ya go Bret! Open door….

Tracy C on 8/4/2006 at 6:18 pm said:

“..(can anyone tell me of a sauce that has a gimick lable that sells alot?)”

There ya go Bret! Open door….

I know of one thats take off of the #1 movie in the usa right now. LOL I’ll give you 2 chance Tracy.

the truth on 8/4/2006 at 6:12 pm said:

look guys…. if you want to sell afew hot sauce bottles than ok gimicks are good if you are looking to be big…. gimick just dont cut it..and by the way if your buying a hot sauce for what the label looks like you then must be a collector of good looking labels cause you cant taste a lable. and for me if you have a great tasting sauce and want to sell alot of it better come up with great no gimick lable..(can anyone tell me of a sauce that has a gimick lable that sells alot?) oooh and besides blair cause as far as that goes i will never understand you guys going nuts over that stuff…..

What sauce do you eat. And I will tell you which ones out sell it with gimick labels

Tracy C on 8/4/2006 at 6:18 pm said:

“..(can anyone tell me of a sauce that has a gimick lable that sells alot?)”

There ya go Bret! Open door….

This is like DeJaVu all over again

yea cant wait to see them on store shelf near me (i think not)

Perfect example great sace great lables not gimicks The creator!!!!

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 6:24 pm said:

What sauce do you eat. And I will tell you which ones out sell it with gimick labels

Go get em Bret - LOL

outstanding sauces no gimicks Three hot tamales

the truth on 8/4/2006 at 6:26 pm said:

yea cant wait to see them on store shelf near me (i think not)

Perfect example great sace great lables not gimicks The creator!!!!

I take it your talking about Defcon sauce If so lets start. 1st sorry creator. You say no gimicks well look at bottle then look at wax seal. Tell me what thats for looks or taste.

the truth on 8/4/2006 at 6:28 pm said:

outstanding sauces no gimicks Three hot tamales

Sorry THT again maybe not the label but the wording. Like make me moan come now .Words are a big part of it.

Gimmick - an important feature that is not immediately apparent : an ingenious and usually new scheme or angle : a trick or device used to attract business or attention

the truth on 8/4/2006 at 6:28 pm said:

outstanding sauces no gimicks Three hot tamales

And yes all of the sauces you bring up our good.

the truth on 8/4/2006 at 6:26 pm said:

yea cant wait to see them on store shelf near me (i think not)

Perfect example great sace great lables not gimicks The creator!!!!

Not looking to insult anyone, or start a blog fight or anything, but yes, even Defcon’s label is gimmicky. No, you can’t taste a label. A label is designed to help your product stand out from the others around it. To catch your eye and get you to look closer at the discription and ingredients. Do some market research. You’ll find that that sauces with funny labels, obscene names, and cartoonish figures get more looks and capture peoples’ interest far more than plain “classy” labels or labels of a serious nature. Whats going to catch your eye more, something that says “hot sauce” with no graphics, or a picture of some guy’s ass errupting with fire? The answer to that is obvious. As far as Defcon’s sauces go, yes, they’re good labels. Simple and recognizeable. Do they contain gimmicks? Absolutely! The logo itself is a gimmick. A modified BIOHAZARD symbol with a big D in the middle. People recognize the biohazard symbol as something dangerous…what’s more appealing than a sauce that looks dangerous? You just can’t see the forrest for the trees man.

Im confused. Is a name a gimmick?
Or is it that it can be perceived as a gimmick?

bob s on 8/4/2006 at 6:35 pm said:

Gimmick - an important feature that is not immediately apparent : an ingenious and usually new scheme or angle : a trick or device used to attract business or attention

Good job Bob, welcome!

bob s on 8/4/2006 at 6:35 pm said:

Gimmick - an important feature that is not immediately apparent : an ingenious and usually new scheme or angle : a trick or device used to attract business or attention

Thank you Bob, that was perfect!

bob s on 8/4/2006 at 6:35 pm said:

Gimmick - an important feature that is not immediately apparent : an ingenious and usually new scheme or angle : a trick or device used to attract business or attention

Ok class. How many times have I said this. Whats the first thing a consumer see. LABELS Could you see everybody that came thru Jungle Jim’s. We had to let them try all the food before they bought it.

chrisk on 8/4/2006 at 6:40 pm said:

Im confused. Is a name a gimmick?
Or is it that it can be perceived as a gimmick?

Good job Bob, welcome!

A name can most certainly be a gimmick. Take a division of my company for example…Zero Tolerance Knives. The name is a gimmick in the fact that it is a line of tactical military and law enforcement knives. The name creates the image that there is nothing better, zero tolerance for inferior product. Doesn’t mean all names are gimmicks, but most often, especially in retail, a name is a big selling point and thus it may become a gimmick.

chrisk on 8/4/2006 at 6:40 pm said:

Im confused. Is a name a gimmick?
Or is it that it can be perceived as a gimmick?

Good job Bob, welcome!

Thanks Chrisk for correct spelling

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 6:42 pm said:

A name can most certainly be a gimmick. Take a division of my company for example…Zero Tolerance Knives. The name is a gimmick in the fact that it is a line of tactical military and law enforcement knives. The name creates the image that there is nothing better, zero tolerance for inferior product. Doesn’t mean all names are gimmicks, but most often, especially in retail, a name is a big selling point and thus it may become a gimmick.

Amen Brother

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 6:42 pm said:

A name can most certainly be a gimmick. Take a division of my company for example…Zero Tolerance Knives. The name is a gimmick in the fact that it is a line of tactical military and law enforcement knives. The name creates the image that there is nothing better, zero tolerance for inferior product. Doesn’t mean all names are gimmicks, but most often, especially in retail, a name is a big selling point and thus it may become a gimmick.

Ryan work up a Label for me The name is hot sauce. OK Is that enought info LOL

The Truth!…..I Can’t Handle The Truth!

Gimmick - No Gimmick
Funny - Not Funny
Flashy - Not Flashy
Erupting Ass - No Erupting Ass……………..I’ll try it!

I can admit some labels catch your eye more- but I am also distracted by shiney things too. I agree with everyone, all your points are well made and valid! And I love each and everyone one of you with all of my heart, so stop fighting (holding my ears and yelling). So I’m off to see my therapist right now…….xoxoxoxo

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 6:48 pm said:

Ryan work up a Label for me The name is hot sauce. OK Is that enought info LOL

You’ve got it Bret! I’ll have it for you by the end of the weekend

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 6:48 pm said:

Ryan work up a Label for me The name is hot sauce. OK Is that enought info LOL

I think he notice he step in a pile gator crap. Now I have to go look for Leroy. DK Leroy out playing with your chickens.

Vic on 8/4/2006 at 6:50 pm said:

The Truth!…..I Can’t Handle The Truth!

Gimmick - No Gimmick
Funny - Not Funny
Flashy - Not Flashy
Erupting Ass - No Erupting Ass……………..I’ll try it!

I can admit some labels catch your eye more- but I am also distracted by shiney things too. I agree with everyone, all your points are well made and valid! And I love each and everyone one of you with all of my heart, so stop fighting (holding my ears and yelling). So I’m off to see my therapist right now…….xoxoxoxo

We love you too Vic! I weep at night cause I miss you so

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 6:52 pm said:

We love you too Vic! I weep at night cause I miss you so

I know brother, it’s been too long- I am going to explode!!!

What about those little skull key-chain thingy’s on Blair’s sauces?

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 6:42 pm said:

A name can most certainly be a gimmick. Take a division of my company for example…Zero Tolerance Knives. The name is a gimmick in the fact that it is a line of tactical military and law enforcement knives. The name creates the image that there is nothing better, zero tolerance for inferior product. Doesn’t mean all names are gimmicks, but most often, especially in retail, a name is a big selling point and thus it may become a gimmick.

What about a brand, say Nike? Is the swoosh a gimmick or just brand recoginition? (logo) I think its just their logo.
In that case, then every sauce has a gimmick cause it has its own design and label. I think what we are “trying” to discuss here is an actual gimmick used in trying to sell a sauce. Such as a key-chain, wax-sealed bottles etc…Not the individuality of a label.

Vic on 8/4/2006 at 6:50 pm said:

The Truth!…..I Can’t Handle The Truth!

Gimmick - No Gimmick
Funny - Not Funny
Flashy - Not Flashy
Erupting Ass - No Erupting Ass……………..I’ll try it!

I can admit some labels catch your eye more- but I am also distracted by shiney things too. I agree with everyone, all your points are well made and valid! And I love each and everyone one of you with all of my heart, so stop fighting (holding my ears and yelling). So I’m off to see my therapist right now…….xoxoxoxo

Vic find out if I can get Leroy in.

I want a label with the following:
Vic
thong
ass
bio hazard
original juan

chrisk on 8/4/2006 at 6:53 pm said:

What about those little skull key-chain thingy’s on Blair’s sauces?

What about a brand, say Nike? Is the swoosh a gimmick or just brand recoginition? (logo) I think its just their logo.
In that case, then every sauce has a gimmick cause it has its own design and label. I think what we are “trying” to discuss here is an actual gimmick used in trying to sell a sauce. Such as a key-chain, wax-sealed bottles etc…Not the individuality of a label.

Blair found them in his warehouse when he move there. Now look at him. Just by putting on those skulls he found.

Tracy C on 8/4/2006 at 6:56 pm said:

I want a label with the following:
Vic
thong
ass
bio hazard
original juan

I’ll see what I can do Tracy

Tracy C on 8/4/2006 at 6:56 pm said:

I want a label with the following:
Vic
thong
ass
bio hazard
original juan

I’ll take 2cs of each.

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 6:54 pm said:

Vic find out if I can get Leroy in.

Hey Bret, I think he takes walk-ins, but it’s a two drink minimum.

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 6:58 pm said:

Blair found them in his warehouse when he move there. Now look at him. Just by putting on those skulls he found.

WOW!, and “Blair” was printed on the forehead already, what luck

chrisk on 8/4/2006 at 6:53 pm said:

What about those little skull key-chain thingy’s on Blair’s sauces?

What about a brand, say Nike? Is the swoosh a gimmick or just brand recoginition? (logo) I think its just their logo.
In that case, then every sauce has a gimmick cause it has its own design and label. I think what we are “trying” to discuss here is an actual gimmick used in trying to sell a sauce. Such as a key-chain, wax-sealed bottles etc…Not the individuality of a label.

Yes, the Nike swoosh is not just a logo, but a gimmick. People will buy Nike products simply because it is Nike. So nike went from just shoes to all manner of clothing and appearl. A marketing gimmick, as Bob has already stated, is anything that helps, or is intended to help, sell a product. Name, logo, label, packaging, bottle, box, signature, number, ingredients, manufacturer, advertising, testimonials…all of it gimmicks.

Tracy C on 8/4/2006 at 6:56 pm said:

I want a label with the following:
Vic
thong
ass
bio hazard
original juan

Hmmm, Im visualizing something I dont want to, sorry Vic.

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 6:59 pm said:

I’ll take 2cs of each.

Are those to sell Bret, or for your private collection?

chrisk on 8/4/2006 at 7:01 pm said:

WOW!, and “Blair” was printed on the forehead already, what luck

You ain’t kidding Blair has all the luck.

chrisk on 8/4/2006 at 7:04 pm said:

Hmmm, Im visualizing something I dont want to, sorry Vic.

Are those to sell Bret, or for your private collection?

There to sell at the store. Thats always my opening order 2cs. right huv

chrisk on 8/4/2006 at 7:04 pm said:

Hmmm, Im visualizing something I dont want to, sorry Vic.

Are those to sell Bret, or for your private collection?

That would be 10cs order

In my previous life I was a fish. I noticed alot of sharp hooks just hanging there in the water. WTF I always thought. Til one day I noticed this big fat juicy worm floating in the water, so I took a big bite. Now ya know the rest of the story…

chrisk on 8/4/2006 at 7:04 pm said:

Hmmm, Im visualizing something I dont want to, sorry Vic.

Are those to sell Bret, or for your private collection?

Hey Chrisk don’t tell anybody on the blog .My new goal at JJ is to reach 2000 diffrent hot sauces buy the end of the year. I need about 475 new ones. It’s going to be tought.

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 7:08 pm said:

That would be 10cs order

Hey I’ll sign them too! and wear the thong to a Signing Event. Should draw a bizarre crowd.

chrisk on 8/4/2006 at 7:04 pm said:

Hmmm, Im visualizing something I dont want to, sorry Vic.

Are those to sell Bret, or for your private collection?

No need to be sorry chris- not the visual everyone wants burned into their memory!

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 7:12 pm said:

Hey Chrisk don’t tell anybody on the blog .My new goal at JJ is to reach 2000 diffrent hot sauces buy the end of the year. I need about 475 new ones. It’s going to be tought.

That’s cool Bret, That would be an awesome friggen’ selection!

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 6:39 pm said:

Not looking to insult anyone, or start a blog fight or anything, but yes, even Defcon’s label is gimmicky. No, you can’t taste a label. A label is designed to help your product stand out from the others around it. To catch your eye and get you to look closer at the discription and ingredients. Do some market research. You’ll find that that sauces with funny labels, obscene names, and cartoonish figures get more looks and capture peoples’ interest far more than plain “classy” labels or labels of a serious nature. Whats going to catch your eye more, something that says “hot sauce” with no graphics, or a picture of some guy’s ass errupting with fire? The answer to that is obvious. As far as Defcon’s sauces go, yes, they’re good labels. Simple and recognizeable. Do they contain gimmicks? Absolutely! The logo itself is a gimmick. A modified BIOHAZARD symbol with a big D in the middle. People recognize the biohazard symbol as something dangerous…what’s more appealing than a sauce that looks dangerous? You just can’t see the forrest for the trees man.

Is it just me, or has anyone noticed the change in the Defcon biohazard symbol other than the “D”. It appears that the tips are not as curved and are shaped more like the ears on the “Evil Kitty”.

Logo Comparison Pic

Bret, no chickens here, ‘cept what I feed the gators! I don’t think I’ll have to worry about you around them!

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 4:45 pm said:

Mister Ryan don’t tell DK what I did our he won’t let play with his chickens when I go there. Thank you Leroy. Give me five. Oh I forgot give me four.

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 7:07 pm said:

There to sell at the store. Thats always my opening order 2cs. right huv

LOL - yep.

Mango coming soon!

Vic on 8/4/2006 at 7:14 pm said:

Hey I’ll sign them too! and wear the thong to a Signing Event. Should draw a bizarre crowd.

No need to be sorry chris- not the visual everyone wants burned into their memory!

Hey Vic, why not sign and then attach the thong to the bottle…

No there’s a gimmick!

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 7:12 pm said:

Hey Chrisk don’t tell anybody on the blog .My new goal at JJ is to reach 2000 diffrent hot sauces buy the end of the year. I need about 475 new ones. It’s going to be tought.

Your secret is safe Im not saying a word.

chrisk on 8/4/2006 at 7:22 pm said:

Hey Vic, why not sign and then attach the thong to the bottle…

No there’s a gimmick!

Hey bud, you may be on to something there. That’s a great idea!

chrisk on 8/4/2006 at 7:23 pm said:

Your secret is safe Im not saying a word.

Come on Chris, tell us. No secrets here

I do not agree or disagree with any of it. But I would like to know who the truths real nickname is and why they changed their nickname just to say that. I have a hard time believing someone never speaking then just throwing out the controversy. Sounds like a regular that wanted to avoid the backlash
Oh well. Good job this was a very entertaining thread for sure a good read

pmac on 8/4/2006 at 8:26 pm said:

I do not agree or disagree with any of it. But I would like to know who the truths real nickname is and why they changed their nickname just to say that. I have a hard time believing someone never speaking then just throwing out the controversy. Sounds like a regular that wanted to avoid the backlash
Oh well. Good job this was a very entertaining thread for sure a good read

Thats what I was thinking myself.

pmac on 8/4/2006 at 8:26 pm said:

I do not agree or disagree with any of it. But I would like to know who the truths real nickname is and why they changed their nickname just to say that. I have a hard time believing someone never speaking then just throwing out the controversy. Sounds like a regular that wanted to avoid the backlash
Oh well. Good job this was a very entertaining thread for sure a good read

Something a few of us have been wondering as well. Oh well, whether its a new nic or a new blogger, doesn’t change ther person behind the keyboard.

Bret, if you see this, shoot me an e-mail through my site. I have your hot sauce label simply staing “Hot Sauce” ready for you…I’m sure you’ll like it, and its kinda catchy

“Oh well. Good job this was a very entertaining thread for sure a good read”

Thats for sure. Im stuck here at work a bit late and it was making time go by faster. C’mon guys, liven it up!

I beleive that the makers here on the BLOG have the right idea, make a set number of bottles and if they sell than you have a good label. I really think that Habby has not even gone to market and yet it is already in demand(Hint), so a lot is the maker, second the label. If you don’t like it don’t buy!!!!! If you like the sauce take the label off and put one one that you like. Sorry folks but I think someone just had a chip on a small shoulder, considering he really doesn’t like HOT SAUCE.

HenryK on 8/4/2006 at 9:03 pm said:

I beleive that the makers here on the BLOG have the right idea, make a set number of bottles and if they sell than you have a good label. I really think that Habby has not even gone to market and yet it is already in demand(Hint), so a lot is the maker, second the label. If you don’t like it don’t buy!!!!! If you like the sauce take the label off and put one one that you like. Sorry folks but I think someone just had a chip on a small shoulder, considering he really doesn’t like HOT SAUCE.

Who doesn’t like hot sauce?

I would encourage The Truth to keep voicing his\her opinion. This blog needs a Devil’s Advocate and I am glad they are choosing to voice their opinion.

Anthony on 8/4/2006 at 9:10 pm said:

I would encourage The Truth to keep voicing his\her opinion. This blog needs a Devil’s Advocate and I am glad they are choosing to voice their opinion.

But that opinion stinks. Were would the hot sauce buiness be without the labels

the truth on 8/4/2006 at 6:12 pm said:

look guys…. if you want to sell afew hot sauce bottles than ok gimicks are good if you are looking to be big…. gimick just dont cut it..and by the way if your buying a hot sauce for what the label looks like you then must be a collector of good looking labels cause you cant taste a lable. and for me if you have a great tasting sauce and want to sell alot of it better come up with great no gimick lable..(can anyone tell me of a sauce that has a gimick lable that sells alot?) oooh and besides blair cause as far as that goes i will never understand you guys going nuts over that stuff…..

Does not sound that he really cares for the whole hot sauce thing.

??????????????, ?????. that’s may new label. can you read it.

Wow, really busy thread, I’m sorry I got to it so late. Many good points.

Great review, Clint. Looks like we agree pretty well on the sauce. You nailed it right on when you say aviod the eggs - I can vouch, it was not good. But on chicken, it does a decent enough job.

And, the Habanero Slap comment had me laughing real hard. Nice one!

Anyhow, though I can appreciate an artist’s efforts, I just really don’t like the label. Gimmick/advertising/logo or whatever, it simply weirds me out.

It’s a pretty simple truth, I think, that just about anyone who puts out a product, be it a label or a sauce, tries hard to do a good job. One of the things I’ve always liked best about the reviews here are that they typically judge a product honestly and on it’s merits - not on trying to keep from hurting the maker’s feelings, or by judging on effort rather than how good something looks and tastes. It’s pretty rare to find a place on the internet where you can get reasonably, civil, and brutally honest assessments of products. Great job keeping up that tradition, Clint.

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 9:26 pm said:

??????????????, ?????. that’s may new label. can you read it.

Leroy tell them what that saids. Duh Hot sauce in Japanese.

oh for the love of hot sauce you guys!!! LEROY GET OUT OF THE DANGED CHICKEN COOP! I love the honesty of the reviews, and clint doesn’t like the label, oh well. the truth doesn’t like gimmicks oh well. I personally want an overall judgement of the sauce and the label, it really helps everyone in the end, yes a gimmicky label catches an eye, and may even sell better, but if I can put out a great sauce with a great label and it sells well then perfect I’ll be a millionaire in a year. but whoever said everything about selling hot sauce is a gimmick or includes gimmicks….um they are 100% right. every single business has a gimmick whether it’s a catchy tune, a catchy phrase or a catchy label. as a matter of fact most people have a gimmick that almost everyone that knows them recognizes. I love gimmicks they amuse me

Anthony on 8/4/2006 at 9:10 pm said:

I would encourage The Truth to keep voicing his\her opinion. This blog needs a Devil’s Advocate and I am glad they are choosing to voice their opinion.

I agree.

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 9:16 pm said:

But that opinion stinks. Were would the hot sauce buiness be without the labels

I agree with that too

Wow, where to start., Bret, DK, your insane and I love you. Thank you for making me both smile and laugh everyday here on the blog.
As for the rest, well I agree with all sides to some degree. Someone like Blair lets say, could put pretty much anything on a label and its going to sell, no matter what is in the bottle, for the simple fact that its Blair and he’s got a name for himself. He could put a chicken, or a gator or a naked woman or a burning ass or simply the words “HOT SAUCE” and it wouldn’t make a sh*ts differance. People would buy it because its Blairs. Then, theres the flip side, a company like Tabasco, no real gimmicky label to speak of ( although their new commercials are going more in that direction), but because of their name, will continue to be found in more stores than not. I can see how from an artists point of view, there would be more appreciation for a gimmicky label for the simple fact that the artist knows how much work went into it. I can also see how from a consumers point of view, it could be a toss up between what caught their eye, or what’s really going to make tonights dinner taste better. I for one, am not a collector of hot sauce. I buy something because I like how it tastes. I would however buy a hot sauce if I like the label and never open it. I would just never have reason to buy it again though. I guess there is a fine line between longevity of a particular product as opposed to longevity of a company as a whole. But what the hell do I know. Just an opinion.

Mrs.Ryan on 8/4/2006 at 9:55 pm said:

oh for the love of hot sauce you guys!!! LEROY GET OUT OF THE DANGED CHICKEN COOP! I love the honesty of the reviews, and clint doesn’t like the label, oh well. the truth doesn’t like gimmicks oh well. I personally want an overall judgement of the sauce and the label, it really helps everyone in the end, yes a gimmicky label catches an eye, and may even sell better, but if I can put out a great sauce with a great label and it sells well then perfect I’ll be a millionaire in a year. but whoever said everything about selling hot sauce is a gimmick or includes gimmicks….um they are 100% right. every single business has a gimmick whether it’s a catchy tune, a catchy phrase or a catchy label. as a matter of fact most people have a gimmick that almost everyone that knows them recognizes. I love gimmicks they amuse me

Sorry you had to see this side of Leroy. There something about a animal. That puts a twinkle in his eyes wait a minute LEROY DO YOU STILL HAVE BOTH EYES WHAT OK twinkle in both eyes.

We got Leroy into Vics therapist next week. Last time we took Leroy to one it did not work out the therapist really like polecats I’m sorry thats Ferrets to you all.

Leroy got a good one for you. ??????????????????? ?????!, ??????

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 10:37 pm said:

Leroy got a good one for you. ??????????????????? ?????!, ??????

That’s good night all in Japanese.

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 10:39 pm said:

That’s good night all in Japanese.

Good Night Bret and Leroy

(that’s Good Night in English )

Wait This For DK ……. Billy Bob is Betty Lou brother or father or cousin or something

Billy Bob and Luther were talking one afternoon when Billy Bob tells Luther, “Ya know, I reckon I’m ’bout ready for a vacation. Only this year I’m gonna do it a little different. The last few years, I took your advice about where to go.
Three years ago you said to go to Hawaii. I went to Hawaii and Earlene got pregnant.
Then two years ago, you told me to go to the Bahamas, and Earlene got pregnant again.
Last year you suggested Tahiti and darned if Earlene didn’t get pregnant again.”
Luther asks Billy Bob, “So, what you gonna do this year that’s different?”

Billy Bob says, “This year I’m taking Earlene with me.”

HenryK on 8/4/2006 at 9:03 pm said:

I beleive that the makers here on the BLOG have the right idea, make a set number of bottles and if they sell than you have a good label. I really think that Habby has not even gone to market and yet it is already in demand(Hint), so a lot is the maker, second the label. If you don’t like it don’t buy!!!!! If you like the sauce take the label off and put one one that you like. Sorry folks but I think someone just had a chip on a small shoulder, considering he really doesn’t like HOT SAUCE.

Thank you Henry, sanity at last. I pride myself on what’s in the bottle. If you don’t like it, no one is forcing you to buy it. From the amount of reorders we get, I dare say people aren’t buying it for the label. Sure it might be a conversation piece, but, like a person, it’s what’s on the inside that counts. I did enjoy the various ‘attempts’ at explaining my own business and packaging techniques and methods, I got a good chuckle out of it. Personally, I purchase virtually no hot sauce of any kind…I prefer to experiment in the kitchen with spices. Maybe the ass explosion labels sell, I still ain’t gonna buy it. You’ll find me in the produce area sorting through herbs, instead of oggling labels with flaming lower gastro-intestinal areas. Everyone seems to be venting their opinions on this thread, so since I was dragged into this unwittingly, I figured I throw mine in as well.

Tracy C on 8/4/2006 at 7:11 pm said:

In my previous life I was a fish. I noticed alot of sharp hooks just hanging there in the water. WTF I always thought. Til one day I noticed this big fat juicy worm floating in the water, so I took a big bite. Now ya know the rest of the story…

LOL….now that’s a gimmick….. sorry to hear that gimmick “hooked” you like they;re supposed to do.

i used to be a clydsdale, and budweiser hired me for theur gimmick, then they put me in do bud-bowl…but i dont think that’s a gimmick, does anyone else? LOL

Bret on 8/4/2006 at 9:26 pm said:

??????????????, ?????. that’s may new label. can you read it.

yeah, but please dont say that about my mother, gimmick or not…lol

DEFCON Creator on 8/4/2006 at 11:07 pm said:

Thank you Henry, sanity at last. I pride myself on what’s in the bottle. If you don’t like it, no one is forcing you to buy it. From the amount of reorders we get, I dare say people aren’t buying it for the label. Sure it might be a conversation piece, but, like a person, it’s what’s on the inside that counts. I did enjoy the various ‘attempts’ at explaining my own business and packaging techniques and methods, I got a good chuckle out of it. Personally, I purchase virtually no hot sauce of any kind…I prefer to experiment in the kitchen with spices. Maybe the ass explosion labels sell, I still ain’t gonna buy it. You’ll find me in the produce area sorting through herbs, instead of oggling labels with flaming lower gastro-intestinal areas. Everyone seems to be venting their opinions on this thread, so since I was dragged into this unwittingly, I figured I throw mine in as well.

That’s all really great. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but the way both the Mrs. and I read that was as if you took something as some sort of attack. I don’t recall attacking you or your label, in fact I complimented it. If someone did criticize you for your choice of logos and label design, I must have missed it. On behalf of the farming community, I thank you for shopping your local produce sections. Now the world is dying to know, How do you choose your underwear? Surely you’re not low enough to open a package, try them on only to find you dont like them and put them back on the shelf for some poor unsuspecting fool. Not saying that anyone here does that with hot sauce (though is has been done), but something has to influence your choice…unless you really do try on your undies before purchasing. Just don’t leave any skid marks. Everything is buyer beware, but put them back clean…what the next guy doesn’t know won’t hurt him.

thebigshow on 8/4/2006 at 11:12 pm said:

LOL….now that’s a gimmick….. sorry to hear that gimmick “hooked” you like they;re supposed to do.

i used to be a clydsdale, and budweiser hired me for theur gimmick, then they put me in do bud-bowl…but i dont think that’s a gimmick, does anyone else? LOL

Actually yes. Commercials are designed to put the product in your mind in hopes that it will stick so that when you go to the store, in this case the beer isle, at first glance you see the product that stands out in your mind and you can associate to various things. This usually causes a person to think about it and hopefully consider purchasing. Though this may not be the case with you personally, the majority of people are sheep that are easily led. Advertising…its all gimmicks to sell a product no matter what form it may take.

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/5/2006 at 12:07 am said:

Actually yes. Commercials are designed to put the product in your mind in hopes that it will stick so that when you go to the store, in this case the beer isle, at first glance you see the product that stands out in your mind and you can associate to various things. This usually causes a person to think about it and hopefully consider purchasing. Though this may not be the case with you personally, the majority of people are sheep that are easily led. Advertising…its all gimmicks to sell a product no matter what form it may take.

i agree completely. marketing is all about the gimmick to get you to try the product. its the product itself that will bring you back again.

thebigshow on 8/5/2006 at 12:40 am said:

i agree completely. marketing is all about the gimmick to get you to try the product. its the product itself that will bring you back again.

Until you find something better

Man, I really missed out on this thread, sounded like a good one, with that said…A Hot sauce needs a label on it to sell, hence they will have gimmicks on them, in this case a lil pissed off hab. This will intrest the consumer who then may purchese the bottle. Now for the producer of the sauce to do well from a business standpoint is what is inside the bottle, hence the repeat consumer. So every bottle will have something to get it off the shelf but the ones people love(ie. DEFCON, Blair’s, Dave’s, THT, etc.) Have that extra tasteyness to them which keeps people wanting more.

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/4/2006 at 11:57 pm said:

That’s all really great. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but the way both the Mrs. and I read that was as if you took something as some sort of attack. I don’t recall attacking you or your label, in fact I complimented it. If someone did criticize you for your choice of logos and label design, I must have missed it. On behalf of the farming community, I thank you for shopping your local produce sections. Now the world is dying to know, How do you choose your underwear? Surely you’re not low enough to open a package, try them on only to find you dont like them and put them back on the shelf for some poor unsuspecting fool. Not saying that anyone here does that with hot sauce (though is has been done), but something has to influence your choice…unless you really do try on your undies before purchasing. Just don’t leave any skid marks. Everything is buyer beware, but put them back clean…what the next guy doesn’t know won’t hurt him.

Always stirring the pot. I don’t consider my product a gimmick, and really don’t enjoy someone expounding the intricacies trying to explain how it is. Every bottle needs a label, without one, the FDA might have a problem with you selling it. Our labels are about as simple as it can get. The logo was something we threw together one night as I’ve been an organics/chemical tinkerer since high school.

And he cynical remarks about supporting the farming community and how I choose my underwear…Where did that come from? Your attempt at humor was poor at best, and if you’d like to start a verbal sparring match again, I don’t have a problem with that. You call my product a gimmick, I defend it, and then you continue the sarcasm. Who pissed in your Cheerios pal? Perhaps you should be more concerned about your own hygiene when choosing undergarments, it’s sad when you look for hints on how to do it from others.

Dear Angry Boy….. I have to say i enjoyed the whole conversation about gimmicks(oh and thanks chris K) i value everyones input on the blog but when you start attacking other people for what they believe in thats just wrong..an yes reading is a wonderful thing..but so is pulling your head out of your ass and having just alittle respect for other people.oh and i really dont care how creator picks out his underwear

“The logo was something we threw together one night as I’ve been an organics/chemical tinkerer since high school.”

He didn’t inhale

pmac on 8/5/2006 at 8:14 am said:

“The logo was something we threw together one night as I’ve been an organics/chemical tinkerer since high school.”

He didn’t inhale

Thank God, I was probably messing around with chlorine gas at the time.

Raawr, or whatever the noise is when cats fight in my back yard

See what happens when you pull the thread where one guy is stealing from others.

I see an awful lot of attemts at humor in here too, you huys are pretty funny, whoever thought thebigshow could have passed as a clydesdale(spelling), something about someones mother in a foreign language
Then you got the guy saying something about underwaer…how many time Nick gots ta tellya, there is an off topic thread buddy. Keep em clean and in yer drawer. And stick to the topic eww sticky undeerwear… n/m
too early for tryin to be funnie

DEFCON Creator on 8/5/2006 at 6:26 am said:

Always stirring the pot. I don’t consider my product a gimmick, and really don’t enjoy someone expounding the intricacies trying to explain how it is. Every bottle needs a label, without one, the FDA might have a problem with you selling it. Our labels are about as simple as it can get. The logo was something we threw together one night as I’ve been an organics/chemical tinkerer since high school.

And he cynical remarks about supporting the farming community and how I choose my underwear…Where did that come from? Your attempt at humor was poor at best, and if you’d like to start a verbal sparring match again, I don’t have a problem with that. You call my product a gimmick, I defend it, and then you continue the sarcasm. Who pissed in your Cheerios pal? Perhaps you should be more concerned about your own hygiene when choosing undergarments, it’s sad when you look for hints on how to do it from others.

the truth on 8/5/2006 at 7:39 am said:

Dear Angry Boy….. I have to say i enjoyed the whole conversation about gimmicks(oh and thanks chris K) i value everyones input on the blog but when you start attacking other people for what they believe in thats just wrong..an yes reading is a wonderful thing..but so is pulling your head out of your ass and having just alittle respect for other people.oh and i really dont care how creator picks out his underwear

If your going to be piss off at anybody let it be me. I’m sorry but there’s a gimmick in almost everything. Creator look at this, it works and maybe this was not what you were trying to do. But wax seal and sign bottles. It works keep doing it. Or if whats in the bottle going to be your selling point then every sauce makers needs to send me free gallon of each sauce he or she makes per case demos. Cajohns thats going to cost you some major bucks$$$$ and the rest of you makers be ready if this how you want your sauce to get end the consumers hands. If not keep the labels coming and let me do my thing and sell HOT SAUCES.

Creator choosing undergarments was a point not a attack.

goodmorning Bret

pmac on 8/5/2006 at 8:34 am said:

Raawr, or whatever the noise is when cats fight in my back yard

See what happens when you pull the thread where one guy is stealing from others.

I see an awful lot of attemts at humor in here too, you huys are pretty funny, whoever thought thebigshow could have passed as a clydesdale(spelling), something about someones mother in a foreign language
Then you got the guy saying something about underwaer…how many time Nick gots ta tellya, there is an off topic thread buddy. Keep em clean and in yer drawer. And stick to the topic eww sticky undeerwear… n/m
too early for tryin to be funnie

pmac what’s up

the truth on 8/5/2006 at 7:39 am said:

Dear Angry Boy….. I have to say i enjoyed the whole conversation about gimmicks(oh and thanks chris K) i value everyones input on the blog but when you start attacking other people for what they believe in thats just wrong..an yes reading is a wonderful thing..but so is pulling your head out of your ass and having just alittle respect for other people.oh and i really dont care how creator picks out his underwear

truth step out of the shadows and show yourself. If you want to see a freaking gimmick checkout my store. Firetrucks, race cars. talking animals, anything too catch your eyes.THAT’S A GIMMICK

Bret on 8/5/2006 at 8:53 am said:

truth step out of the shadows and show yourself. If you want to see a freaking gimmick checkout my store. Firetrucks, race cars. talking animals, anything too catch your eyes.THAT’S A GIMMICK

Oh our gimmick today is Wines and the foods they go with. 10 plus winery’s are here today about 15 demo stations are set up thur out the store sampling wine all day You think that’s going to draw some people in today.

Bret on 8/5/2006 at 9:01 am said:

Oh our gimmick today is Wines and the foods they go with. 10 plus winery’s are here today about 15 demo stations are set up thur out the store sampling wine all day You think that’s going to draw some people in today.

Man - I definitely need to get out there. I’m going to plan a road trip out there. Did you try the Habby Horse yet?

MORNING PEEPS!!

Hey Huv, arn’t ya glad that we don’t have gimmicky labels.

Tracy C on 8/5/2006 at 9:09 am said:

MORNING PEEPS!!

Hey Huv, arn’t ya glad that we don’t have gimmicky labels.

LOL - mine is just a picture of me!!!!!!! BTW - your stuff is going in the mail Monday. IT was a crazy busy week!

Bret on 8/5/2006 at 8:42 am said:

If your going to be piss off at anybody let it be me. I’m sorry but there’s a gimmick in almost everything. Creator look at this, it works and maybe this was not what you were trying to do. But wax seal and sign bottles. It works keep doing it. Or if whats in the bottle going to be your selling point then every sauce makers needs to send me free gallon of each sauce he or she makes per case demos. Cajohns thats going to cost you some major bucks$$$$ and the rest of you makers be ready if this how you want your sauce to get end the consumers hands. If not keep the labels coming and let me do my thing and sell HOT SAUCES.

You want gallons? We got gallons, and they don’t even have labels!

pmac on 8/5/2006 at 8:34 am said:

Raawr, or whatever the noise is when cats fight in my back yard

See what happens when you pull the thread where one guy is stealing from others.

I see an awful lot of attemts at humor in here too, you huys are pretty funny, whoever thought thebigshow could have passed as a clydesdale(spelling), something about someones mother in a foreign language
Then you got the guy saying something about underwaer…how many time Nick gots ta tellya, there is an off topic thread buddy. Keep em clean and in yer drawer. And stick to the topic eww sticky undeerwear… n/m
too early for tryin to be funnie

My “kitty” tends to win!

why is it that i have to come out of a shadow????? oh and bret i have been on your site…got to tell you i like it alot..and pacman i have never been in this blog under anyother name

huvason on 8/5/2006 at 9:04 am said:

Man - I definitely need to get out there. I’m going to plan a road trip out there. Did you try the Habby Horse yet?

Yes very good. When the creator has ready It will be at JJ.

the truth on 8/5/2006 at 9:50 am said:

why is it that i have to come out of a shadow????? oh and bret i have been on your site…got to tell you i like it alot..and pacman i have never been in this blog under anyother name

Is that the truth. hehe had to say that.

Bret on 8/5/2006 at 8:45 am said:

Creator choosing undergarments was a point not a attack.

Bret, I am the first guy to laugh at a joke, and am one of the easiest guys to get along with I’ve ever met (I talk to myself too). But the cynicism and sacasm in Ryan’s post was quite apparent, and yes I took slight offense to it. I’ve busted my *ss perfecting our product (what’s inside of it), and never intended to be a gimmick. The packaging just reflects my hobbyistic (is that a word?) background, which makes it that much more personal. We pride ourselves on attention to detail (wait until the next ZERO comes out), not for gimmicks-sake. Perhaps I took it in the wrong way, perhaps not. Anyway….Now where were we?

but bret i do know you

DEFCON Creator on 8/5/2006 at 9:52 am said:

Bret, I am the first guy to laugh at a joke, and am one of the easiest guys to get along with I’ve ever met (I talk to myself too). But the cynicism and sacasm in Ryan’s post was quite apparent, and yes I took slight offense to it. I’ve busted my *ss perfecting our product (what’s inside of it), and never intended to be a gimmick. The packaging just reflects my hobbyistic (is that a word?) background, which makes it that much more personal. We pride ourselves on attention to detail (wait until the next ZERO comes out), not for gimmicks-sake. Perhaps I took it in the wrong way, perhaps not. Anyway….Now where were we?

OK. ONE THING TO ALL YOU MAKERS. WHAT EVER YOU DO WHEN YOU MAKE A SAUCE IS FIND.((((( JUST KEEP COMING )))))

the truth on 8/5/2006 at 9:54 am said:

but bret i do know you

Then give me a call today or email me you should have the info. Peace Bret

DEFCON Creator on 8/5/2006 at 9:52 am said:

Bret, I am the first guy to laugh at a joke, and am one of the easiest guys to get along with I’ve ever met (I talk to myself too). But the cynicism and sacasm in Ryan’s post was quite apparent, and yes I took slight offense to it. I’ve busted my *ss perfecting our product (what’s inside of it), and never intended to be a gimmick. The packaging just reflects my hobbyistic (is that a word?) background, which makes it that much more personal. We pride ourselves on attention to detail (wait until the next ZERO comes out), not for gimmicks-sake. Perhaps I took it in the wrong way, perhaps not. Anyway….Now where were we?

DC,

That’s a great point. I think the difference in connotation between gimmick and product identification is that a gimmick is something done for the sole purpose of grabbing attention for attention’s sake - it carries the stigma of being fake and contrived. Product identification, on the other hand, is something personal and honest, a reflection of the maker in the packaging.

great point that is exactly what i have been saying oh bret i will call you later just to let you know i do know you just to say hello and goodbye dont want to give anything away

Hey All: It was a great 147 comments, and a lot of useful ideas. Why don’t we start something else. We have drove this topic in the ground.

John S. on 8/5/2006 at 10:26 am said:

DC,

That’s a great point. I think the difference in connotation between gimmick and product identification is that a gimmick is something done for the sole purpose of grabbing attention for attention’s sake - it carries the stigma of being fake and contrived. Product identification, on the other hand, is something personal and honest, a reflection of the maker in the packaging.

Well said John, thank you.

HenryK on 8/5/2006 at 10:54 am said:

Hey All: It was a great 147 comments, and a lot of useful ideas. Why don’t we start something else. We have drove this topic in the ground.

As usual.

Agreed, let’s move on to something a bit less confrontational, like politics or religion…Just kidding.

DEFCON Creator on 8/5/2006 at 11:13 am said:

As usual.

Agreed, let’s move on to something a bit less confrontational, like politics or religion…Just kidding.

Your right move on. I think Leroy has girlfriend.

HenryK on 8/5/2006 at 10:54 am said:

Hey All: It was a great 147 comments, and a lot of useful ideas. Why don’t we start something else. We have drove this topic in the ground.

Not before I say something. I have been quietly watching (or should I say reading) and I think EVERYONE has valid points. I do have to say that in retail or wholesale or anything having to do with purchasing or selling you DO NEED a gimmick. Now what I think everyone is talking about here is whether your gimmick is novelty or not. Novelty as we know sells, but not to the extent that a manufacturer (like tht, defcon..) would want it to. We are looking more for longegivity of a product not a gag gift with a funny label that we would only buy once in a lifetime. I think novelty sauces are great, some are really funny, but to put the grueling effort and time that manufacturers like us (THT) and Defcon do to create great sauces and then slap a novelty label on it would somehow ruin the reputation that we work so hard to create (not personal reputation, put product reputation) But thats just my 2c..

John S. on 8/5/2006 at 10:26 am said:

DC,

That’s a great point. I think the difference in connotation between gimmick and product identification is that a gimmick is something done for the sole purpose of grabbing attention for attention’s sake - it carries the stigma of being fake and contrived. Product identification, on the other hand, is something personal and honest, a reflection of the maker in the packaging.

Thank you John!

I go to sleep for a few hours and I wake up to see a bunch of chilibabys running around with red savina in their diapers.

Bret on 8/5/2006 at 8:53 am said:

truth step out of the shadows and show yourself. If you want to see a freaking gimmick checkout my store. Firetrucks, race cars. talking animals, anything too catch your eyes.THAT’S A GIMMICK

can’t wait to get there and see your place, a site to be seen

ROFL, some of you and you know exactly who you are take things way to personally.
Yes Lisa that is exactly what we were ntrying to discuss before all the personal drama over took this thread.
have a good weekend all

The clue thread vanished, Nick must be posting the clue now.

Lisa, right on!

BRING ON THE CLUE
DK can you and Bret please keep Leroy out of trouble this go round? LOL

Leroy’s still hung over from last night, he had too much Swamp Buggy juice! Bubba says she may help out though, we’ll see!

LOL is Bubba any help when she decides to “help out”?

it’s noon Nick where is it?

WOW! So much going on! In some areas more then I needed to know! Poor chickens. LOL Anyway, everyone here has had valid points. When you manufacture a sauce of course you want something a little different to make your product stand out. Whether that be a name, a “gimmicky” label, wax on the cap, ect. Now in which direction a manufacturer wants to go is up to them. But I do truly believe that no matter what is on the outside of the bottle, it is what is on the inside that counts. If a sauce tastes like a**, of course no one will purchase it again. The consumer might appreciate the art work of that label, but not the taste left in their mouths. Then there is the other side of the coin, if the products does not catch any ones attention sitting on the shelves, how will anyone have the opportunity to enjoy the fine product inside? I believe that it is a fine line that all manufacturers walk along, you need a great product inside but something on the outside needs to catch your consumers attention for the first time. For myself, I might enjoy and dare I say it, laugh my booty off, at some other labels but it always come down to the flavor inside the bottle. But again, what the hell do I know? Just voicing MHO!

OK I have to be honest here.
I only collect or eat sauce from people I like.(is that horrible?) I do it one person at a time because so many have more than one and my attention span isn’t that long. the list of sauces i want to try and collect is long. and eventually I will get to them all, gimmicks or otherwise.

Jesus H. Christ…I sleep in on a Saturday and this is what happens. Defcon, in no way am I trying to attack you, your sauce, or start another war. As far as I’m concerned, that hatchet was burried a long time ago. I am truly sorry that you have taken offense to anything that I have said, and that my words have been taken WAY out of context. I never said, nor did I imply, that the sauce contained within your bottles is a gimmick. I will say this again…I complimented you on your label. I happen to like it very much. It is simple in the fact that it has your logo, and words. It is done well in and has a bit of class to it. The underwear thing was simply making a point. Yes, I am cynicle (pardon me if that’s spelled wrong) and sarcastic. I was simply making the point that what is displayed on the outside packaging of a product is very influencial to the consumer. Just about everyone here has put this negative conotation on the word “gimmick”. Gimmick is not an insult, its a tool. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’ve been out of highschool for only 8 years and can still remember my marketing classes. Gimmicks are an essential part of business. They are TOOLS that a business uses to generate attention and product recognition. I am fully aware of what the FDA requires and why hot sauces must have a label. I know because I design labels. The truth is (not in reference to the blogger) that if you were only putting a label on your sauce to comply with the FDA, you wouln’t put your logo on it. You do put your logo on it for product recognition, that logo is a tool for selling your product AKA a gimmick. Everyone’s products contain gimmicks in one way or another whether you like it or not. Pride yourself on your sauce and the work you’ve put into it. You should be proud, its doing well. I hate to make this comparison, but here it goes. After all the crap that has gone on in the middle east, are you going to tell me that all Arabs are bad and are going to stap a bomb to themselves? There are those out there that feel this way because of a negative conotation that has been placed on Arabs as a whole due to the recent events. Due to many of the reviews here, and elsewhere, not just hot sauce, but all products, gimmick has received a negative conotation. You don’t ever hear about a good gimmick. Its not a bad thing. If you choose to think of it that way, I feel sorry for you. And if that is the case, then don’t put a logo on your labels. Don’t put a description. All the FDA requires is ingredients, net weight, nutritional facts (unless you have a permit and are producing less than 1,000 units) and that it states what it is (in this case, hot sauce). Everything else on the label is a gimmick. Thank you, I’m going to get some coffee now.

THT a lady came in, has email you all about your products and JJ. 3 bottles of mango 2 steak and when she was talking to me I was putting out my order that came in yesterday. 2 bottles gone before it hit the shelves. That’s cool.. I think Leroys out swimming with the dog at old pond.

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/5/2006 at 12:43 pm said:

Jesus H. Christ…I sleep in on a Saturday and this is what happens. Defcon, in no way am I trying to attack you, your sauce, or start another war. As far as I’m concerned, that hatchet was burried a long time ago. I am truly sorry that you have taken offense to anything that I have said, and that my words have been taken WAY out of context. I never said, nor did I imply, that the sauce contained within your bottles is a gimmick. I will say this again…I complimented you on your label. I happen to like it very much. It is simple in the fact that it has your logo, and words. It is done well in and has a bit of class to it. The underwear thing was simply making a point. Yes, I am cynicle (pardon me if that’s spelled wrong) and sarcastic. I was simply making the point that what is displayed on the outside packaging of a product is very influencial to the consumer. Just about everyone here has put this negative conotation on the word “gimmick”. Gimmick is not an insult, its a tool. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’ve been out of highschool for only 8 years and can still remember my marketing classes. Gimmicks are an essential part of business. They are TOOLS that a business uses to generate attention and product recognition. I am fully aware of what the FDA requires and why hot sauces must have a label. I know because I design labels. The truth is (not in reference to the blogger) that if you were only putting a label on your sauce to comply with the FDA, you wouln’t put your logo on it. You do put your logo on it for product recognition, that logo is a tool for selling your product AKA a gimmick. Everyone’s products contain gimmicks in one way or another whether you like it or not. Pride yourself on your sauce and the work you’ve put into it. You should be proud, its doing well. I hate to make this comparison, but here it goes. After all the crap that has gone on in the middle east, are you going to tell me that all Arabs are bad and are going to stap a bomb to themselves? There are those out there that feel this way because of a negative conotation that has been placed on Arabs as a whole due to the recent events. Due to many of the reviews here, and elsewhere, not just hot sauce, but all products, gimmick has received a negative conotation. You don’t ever hear about a good gimmick. Its not a bad thing. If you choose to think of it that way, I feel sorry for you. And if that is the case, then don’t put a logo on your labels. Don’t put a description. All the FDA requires is ingredients, net weight, nutritional facts (unless you have a permit and are producing less than 1,000 units) and that it states what it is (in this case, hot sauce). Everything else on the label is a gimmick. Thank you, I’m going to get some coffee now.

Dam

Heck ryan I’ll buy. I like when you open up.

I see your learning a lot from Vics and Leroys therapist don’t keep it inside of you let out. Just look at Leroy he has found true love.

Bret on 8/5/2006 at 12:50 pm said:

THT a lady came in, has email you all about your products and JJ. 3 bottles of mango 2 steak and when she was talking to me I was putting out my order that came in yesterday. 2 bottles gone before it hit the shelves. That’s cool.. I think Leroys out swimming with the dog at old pond.

Sweeeeet

I just wanna say that i never factor the label into my final grade of the sauce.

The grade is based on taste/smell ( basically the sauce) only.

That being said, a habanero with boxing gloves is kinda goofy.

Bret on 8/5/2006 at 1:02 pm said:

I see your learning a lot from Vics and Leroys therapist don’t keep it inside of you let out. Just look at Leroy he has found true love.

A little swamp buggy fuel never hurt either. Calms the gators, that’s fer sure!

Clint on 8/5/2006 at 1:33 pm said:

I just wanna say that i never factor the label into my final grade of the sauce.

The grade is based on taste/smell ( basically the sauce) only.

That being said, a habanero with boxing gloves is kinda goofy.

I’m really glad to hear that. I’ll agree that the boxing hab does look a bit goofy. Wasn’t trying to persuade people into thinking that it was the greatest label of all time, I just said that I can appreciate the difficulties in making a label that fits a name and that all labels have a “gimmick” of some sort.

On another note. Huv, if you take any crap for having a gimmicky label if and when your sauce gets a review on here, my sincerest appologies for not making it a plain label with only the FDA requirements. After all, it has a happy, chubby habanero as the main focus.

OH YAY we get to sling carp at Huv for having a gimmicky label woo hoo let the carp slinging begin

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/5/2006 at 12:43 pm said:

Jesus H. Christ…I sleep in on a Saturday and this is what happens. Defcon, in no way am I trying to attack you, your sauce, or start another war. As far as I’m concerned, that hatchet was burried a long time ago. I am truly sorry that you have taken offense to anything that I have said, and that my words have been taken WAY out of context. I never said, nor did I imply, that the sauce contained within your bottles is a gimmick. I will say this again…I complimented you on your label. I happen to like it very much. It is simple in the fact that it has your logo, and words. It is done well in and has a bit of class to it. The underwear thing was simply making a point. Yes, I am cynicle (pardon me if that’s spelled wrong) and sarcastic. I was simply making the point that what is displayed on the outside packaging of a product is very influencial to the consumer. Just about everyone here has put this negative conotation on the word “gimmick”. Gimmick is not an insult, its a tool. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’ve been out of highschool for only 8 years and can still remember my marketing classes. Gimmicks are an essential part of business. They are TOOLS that a business uses to generate attention and product recognition. I am fully aware of what the FDA requires and why hot sauces must have a label. I know because I design labels. The truth is (not in reference to the blogger) that if you were only putting a label on your sauce to comply with the FDA, you wouln’t put your logo on it. You do put your logo on it for product recognition, that logo is a tool for selling your product AKA a gimmick. Everyone’s products contain gimmicks in one way or another whether you like it or not. Pride yourself on your sauce and the work you’ve put into it. You should be proud, its doing well. I hate to make this comparison, but here it goes. After all the crap that has gone on in the middle east, are you going to tell me that all Arabs are bad and are going to stap a bomb to themselves? There are those out there that feel this way because of a negative conotation that has been placed on Arabs as a whole due to the recent events. Due to many of the reviews here, and elsewhere, not just hot sauce, but all products, gimmick has received a negative conotation. You don’t ever hear about a good gimmick. Its not a bad thing. If you choose to think of it that way, I feel sorry for you. And if that is the case, then don’t put a logo on your labels. Don’t put a description. All the FDA requires is ingredients, net weight, nutritional facts (unless you have a permit and are producing less than 1,000 units) and that it states what it is (in this case, hot sauce). Everything else on the label is a gimmick. Thank you, I’m going to get some coffee now.

Point taken and understood. As others have stated, the connotation of the word “gimmick” is less than good. At least to me, the term is more of a stunt or ruse. Technically, the term can be a method or instrument to be used as a marketing angle, but I see it as more of the politician kissing babies to get votes, which is also known as a “gimmick”. The hatchet is once again buried. Actually, a sparring match every once in a while does seem to get everyones juices flowing for a little while.

DEFCON Creator on 8/5/2006 at 4:30 pm said:

Point taken and understood. As others have stated, the connotation of the word “gimmick” is less than good. At least to me, the term is more of a stunt or ruse. Technically, the term can be a method or instrument to be used as a marketing angle, but I see it as more of the politician kissing babies to get votes, which is also known as a “gimmick”. The hatchet is once again buried. Actually, a sparring match every once in a while does seem to get everyones juices flowing for a little while.

You can say that again (re: the sparring). I haven’t seen this many people voicing opinions and jump in since the pimp your sauce contest! Always a pleasure, Defcon.

DEFCON Creator on 8/5/2006 at 11:13 am said:

As usual.

Agreed, let’s move on to something a bit less confrontational, like politics or religion…Just kidding.

Ohhhh Yeah, and I know just the person to bring into the conversation..

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/5/2006 at 4:36 pm said:

You can say that again (re: the sparring). I haven’t seen this many people voicing opinions and jump in since the pimp your sauce contest! Always a pleasure, Defcon.

Not a problem. Perhaps the board needs a shake-up every now and then.

Tracy C on 8/5/2006 at 5:02 pm said:

Ohhhh Yeah, and I know just the person to bring into the conversation..

Oh? And WHO might THAT be?

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/5/2006 at 2:34 pm said:

I’m really glad to hear that. I’ll agree that the boxing hab does look a bit goofy. Wasn’t trying to persuade people into thinking that it was the greatest label of all time, I just said that I can appreciate the difficulties in making a label that fits a name and that all labels have a “gimmick” of some sort.

On another note. Huv, if you take any crap for having a gimmicky label if and when your sauce gets a review on here, my sincerest appologies for not making it a plain label with only the FDA requirements. After all, it has a happy, chubby habanero as the main focus.

But you made such a nice likeness of me! Hopefully the sauce will be reviewed soon - sending to Nick on Monday. (yours too Ryan ) When, and if, it’s reviewed, let the bloggers “bring it on”

Mrs.Ryan on 8/5/2006 at 2:38 pm said:

OH YAY we get to sling carp at Huv for having a gimmicky label woo hoo let the carp slinging begin

And I thought we were friends Mrs R

Ryan@angrypepper on 8/5/2006 at 5:20 pm said:

Oh? And WHO might THAT be?

Don’t worry. You can take a break. It’s someone that’s not on here much.

huvason on 8/5/2006 at 5:28 pm said:

But you made such a nice likeness of me! Hopefully the sauce will be reviewed soon - sending to Nick on Monday. (yours too Ryan ) When, and if, it’s reviewed, let the bloggers “bring it on”

And I thought we were friends Mrs R

Ok I will review it. It’s darn good and a cool label. The label was the first thing I saw and It was very nice. Huv had to get a plug in for Ryan. And the sauce is real good better then good. 9\10 sorry only my sauce gets a 10. LOL

Bret on 8/5/2006 at 5:40 pm said:

Ok I will review it. It’s darn good and a cool label. The label was the first thing I saw and It was very nice. Huv had to get a plug in for Ryan. And the sauce is real good better then good. 9\10 sorry only my sauce gets a 10. LOL

review

Opps sorry the sauce is FAT KIDS HOT SAUCE 4 LEVELS OF HEAT. Review came from me Bret

Bret on 8/5/2006 at 5:40 pm said:

Ok I will review it. It’s darn good and a cool label. The label was the first thing I saw and It was very nice. Huv had to get a plug in for Ryan. And the sauce is real good better then good. 9\10 sorry only my sauce gets a 10. LOL

Thanx Bret! I agree - I LOVE the label. Appreciate the nice words about the sauce. Just reworked the extreme and made it hotter. Will get you out a bottle

huvason on 8/5/2006 at 5:51 pm said:

Thanx Bret! I agree - I LOVE the label. Appreciate the nice words about the sauce. Just reworked the extreme and made it hotter. Will get you out a bottle

You no I’m a wimp to the heat. Everybody at work knows when I have try a real real hot sauce. I walk around with my tongue hanging out.

LEROY GET OUT OF THE CHICKEN FEED. Were going over to Betty Lous for dinner. Leave her pets alone this time.