What kind of yard bird is that GN?

Looks more like Lobster.

I wish it was lobster!!

Ok, now Im confused

Not to stir the pot again on this subject, but I thought the “HEAT” rating was NOT included in a review as far as figuring the average “overall” number. Because if it were, you would need a 10 on the heat scale to get a perfect 10 rating. This doesnt seem fair as most sauce’s arent super hot. So judging by the numbers I see above, isnt this really a 10/10?

10X4=40 /4 = 10

chrisk on 4/12/2007 at 9:42 am said:

Ok, now Im confused

Not to stir the pot again on this subject, but I thought the “HEAT” rating was NOT included in a review as far as figuring the average “overall” number. Because if it were, you would need a 10 on the heat scale to get a perfect 10 rating. This doesnt seem fair as most sauce’s arent super hot. So judging by the numbers I see above, isnt this really a 10/10?

10X4=40 /4 = 10

i agree with that.

i will finish commenting when i get finished reading the novel the goon wrote.

Come on,

This isn’t exactly The Divine Comedy here! I have written many that were longer.. I am still a rookie and this was my 1st Jam Review.. lol

as your ex’s have probably told you in the past, size and length don’t matter. it is quality over quantity that matters

generallee on 4/12/2007 at 10:03 am said:

i agree with that.

i will finish commenting when i get finished reading the novel the goon wrote.

generallee on 4/12/2007 at 11:29 am said:

as your ex’s have probably told you in the past, size and length don’t matter. it is quality over quantity that matters

Wow, an hour and 26 minutes…
Thats either a long review or you read really slowly generallee

generallee on 4/12/2007 at 11:29 am said:

as your ex’s have probably told you in the past, size and length don’t matter. it is quality over quantity that matters

Ex’s never complained really.. Actually one time one did… but I took it as a compliment.. She asked, “Aren’t you tired yet?”

GoonieNick on 4/12/2007 at 10:06 am said:

Come on,

This isn’t exactly The Divine Comedy here! I have written many that were longer.. I am still a rookie and this was my 1st Jam Review.. lol

Ha I didn’t think it was that long myself. But then again maybe I just read faster than normal Sounds delicious! Great review

ok all… now i will refrain from any other off topic remarks on this review. after all i dont want the Fur - the truth - to put me in my place again.

chrisk on 4/12/2007 at 9:42 am said:

Ok, now Im confused

Not to stir the pot again on this subject, but I thought the “HEAT” rating was NOT included in a review as far as figuring the average “overall” number. Because if it were, you would need a 10 on the heat scale to get a perfect 10 rating. This doesnt seem fair as most sauce’s arent super hot. So judging by the numbers I see above, isnt this really a 10/10?

10X4=40 /4 = 10

I have to agree here with Chris. Perhaps it should just be standard practice if using a rating scale for reviews, to not include the heat rating in the overall average? Heat is very subjective and there is no real way of accurately reporting that is is a 2/10 or a 7/10, etc., because everyone has different tolerances to heat. Even using MILD, MEDIUM, HOT, XXX HOT, etc., on bottle lables is a tough call to make. Than again, applying a rating scale to such things as a lebel and packaging is somewhat subjective as well. Just food for thought.

generallee on 4/12/2007 at 11:29 am said:

as your ex’s have probably told you in the past, size and length don’t matter. it is quality over quantity that matters

Thats right General, it’s not the displacement that counts, it’s the RPM.

Oh Yeah, Troy don’t forget, 3rd Thursday, lunch at Stanleys !! see ya next week.

Arizona Jack on 4/12/2007 at 2:25 pm said:

Oh Yeah, Troy don’t forget, 3rd Thursday, lunch at Stanleys !! see ya next week.

i’ll be there with bells on. wont tell you wear i am wearing them.

Arizona Jack on 4/12/2007 at 2:25 pm said:

Oh Yeah, Troy don’t forget, 3rd Thursday, lunch at Stanleys !! see ya next week.

please bring me every variety of jerky you make. including the oblivion if you have done it yet?

thanks

Arizona Jack on 4/12/2007 at 2:24 pm said:

Thats right General, it’s not the displacement that counts, it’s the RPM.

I thought it was the torque.

DEFCON Creator on 4/12/2007 at 3:38 pm said:

I thought it was the torque.

Most organisms walking around on this earth containing the XX chromosome prefer a RATTLESNAKE vs. torque, rpm, displacement, thrust overdrive, maximum velocity, etc.

Nick - my comments don’t seem to be making it to the thread. Is there a delay or something now? If anyone can read this, this one obviously made it through….

GoonieNick on 4/12/2007 at 10:06 am said:

Come on,

This isn’t exactly The Divine Comedy here! I have written many that were longer.. I am still a rookie and this was my 1st Jam Review.. lol

Hi Goonie. This is not an attack, but if this is your first experience with a pepper jam, do you really feel that you are authoritative enough on the topic to give this a perfect score in so many areas?

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m one of those who doesn’t believe in a perfect rating for anything as we all constantly strive for improvement. I trust that you will take this in the spirit it was given.

Gildo on 4/12/2007 at 2:08 pm said:

I have to agree here with Chris. Perhaps it should just be standard practice if using a rating scale for reviews, to not include the heat rating in the overall average? Heat is very subjective and there is no real way of accurately reporting that is is a 2/10 or a 7/10, etc., because everyone has different tolerances to heat. Even using MILD, MEDIUM, HOT, XXX HOT, etc., on bottle lables is a tough call to make. Than again, applying a rating scale to such things as a lebel and packaging is somewhat subjective as well. Just food for thought.

Exactly the point I made in the forum when Nick asked for input on the ratings. Heat tolerance is much too subjective to be factored into an overall rating, IMO.

locolnabrian on 4/12/2007 at 5:25 pm said:

Hi Goonie. This is not an attack, but if this is your first experience with a pepper jam, do you really feel that you are authoritative enough on the topic to give this a perfect score in so many areas?

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m one of those who doesn’t believe in a perfect rating for anything as we all constantly strive for improvement. I trust that you will take this in the spirit it was given.

I totally agree with you. Well I don’t want to be deemed an authoritative figure in any way. To me the pepper jam was a 10 based on my experiences of having normal grocery jams, and I believe 2 industry hot based jams.

And man do I love your Lava Extreme Your Lava Extreme is a 10 by me!!

GoonieNick on 4/12/2007 at 5:34 pm said:

I totally agree with you. Well I don’t want to be deemed an authoritative figure in any way. To me the pepper jam was a 10 based on my experiences of having normal grocery jams, and I believe 2 industry hot based jams.

And man do I love your Lava Extreme Your Lava Extreme is a 10 by me!!

As I’ve said before, as a consumer I don’t believe in a 10 rating, but as a manufacturer, I’d love to get one:). Thanks, man!

And to further clarify, this jam is quite good. My comments have nothing to do with them, only a philosophical question.

locolnabrian on 4/12/2007 at 5:38 pm said:

As I’ve said before, as a consumer I don’t believe in a 10 rating, but as a manufacturer, I’d love to get one:). Thanks, man!

And to further clarify, this jam is quite good. My comments have nothing to do with them, only a philosophical question.

I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK. WELL DONE AMIGO.

locolnabrian on 4/12/2007 at 5:38 pm said:

As I’ve said before, as a consumer I don’t believe in a 10 rating, but as a manufacturer, I’d love to get one:). Thanks, man!

And to further clarify, this jam is quite good. My comments have nothing to do with them, only a philosophical question.

It is an interesting philosophy because as a teacher, I am aware of others who will never give a 100 to a student for a report grade no matter what. Their reasoning is that nobody is perfect.

I do give 100s occasionally so at least I am constant in my philosophy!!

GoonieNick on 4/12/2007 at 5:13 pm said:

Most organisms walking around on this earth containing the XX chromosome prefer a RATTLESNAKE vs. torque, rpm, displacement, thrust overdrive, maximum velocity, etc.

DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH JAM?

Well industry based Jam no.. some other Jam perhaps, lol. Comment was in regards to the fun AJ and Defcon were having, nothing more.

GoonieNick on 4/12/2007 at 5:41 pm said:

It is an interesting philosophy because as a teacher, I am aware of others who will never give a 100 to a student for a report grade no matter what. Their reasoning is that nobody is perfect.

I do give 100s occasionally so at least I am constant in my philosophy!!

It is good to be consistent. I suppose it breaks down to me on the subjectivity of the matter. A completely objective test can certainly rate a perfect score; a subjective one probably takes more convincing for me to give a perfect score.

Thanks Troy!

GoonieNick on 4/12/2007 at 5:46 pm said:

Well industry based Jam no.. some other Jam perhaps, lol. Comment was in regards to the fun AJ and Defcon were having, nothing more.

i have learned that this location on the blog is not the place to be leaving those kind of comments. call me party pooper, call me whatever. the people of the “board” have voiced their opinions about off topic comments on the front page of the blog and i am abidding by it. maybe we all should so there wont be anymore person bashing.

I can accept those terms!! Lava Extreme still rocks though!

GoonieNick on 4/12/2007 at 5:52 pm said:

I can accept those terms!! Lava Extreme still rocks though!

sir yes sir. and i hope defcon’s “torque” powerplant had a “FORD” sign on the side of it.

Defcon Day is coming soon.. Going to have to make it for sure!! I like the Sir Yes Sir, Got me feeling all Military oriented!! Reminds me of Karate Kid..

Defcon: Fear does not exist in this wing eating contest, does it?
Student: No, Sensei.

Defcon: Pain does not exist in this wing eating contest, does it?
Student: No, Sensei.

Defcon: Defeat does not exist in this wing eating contest, does it?
Student: No, Sensei.

yes danielson

I think GN’s review was the perfect length and width and had just the right amount of torque, RPMs as well as displacement.
A self professed rookie perhaps, but it seems that GN is becoming more and more of an old hand at the review thing everyday. I enjoyed the review and now I need to get my hands on some of this jam.
As far as including the heat rating, I agree with it being objective. One individual’s “insane” is another individual’s mild or medium, it’s been proven time and time again with our customers.
Macho knobs that come in into our store and ask for the hottest sauce in the store quickly exit stage left when given what I call extreme as a sample. That again can be due to the fact that they haven’t been exposed to a good super hot sauce before, or due to the fact that they are wimps. An added bonus is that sometimes their wives/girlfriends try the same sauce and can handle it without incident. That makes Uncle Big smile. Macho Man’s exit is even more rapid at that point.
GoonieNick has proven his worth in the arena of extreme heat having sucked up Uncle Big’s Killer Hot Sauce without a wimper so I know that he has the gonads to rate a super hot sauce accurately. He will only have to wait a little while longer to take on my reserve sauce head to head.
I think we do need to possibly create a tiered review system where certain reviewers review certain heat levels of sauce just based on what I said previous. Is that elitist of me? Perhaps, but I feel a more accurate report of the heat rating would be the result.

I’m getting off topic here, and I apologize.
Another good one Goonie, keep them comin’!

Thanks Big,

I admit I learn new stuff everyday. I am by no means the authority figure on anything. However, I think some people are starting to think of me as being more reputable in some sense. I know some have tried Sweet Agony InCINNerator Syrup that I reviewed, and said they loved it.

Reserve Sauce!! OH UH.. I am getting ready for that.. Yeah I am gone too far lately. No natural hot sauce gets me going anymore Even some extracts dont do it either.

Whenever I rank a sauce on heat I tend to just think of it compared to others in the field. For example when I rate Fatalli Select, I am thinking of Talon, Ace, The Legend, Orange Hab Select, etc… which are all other natural sauces. It would be unfair to give Fatalli Select a 6 in heat based on the fact that there are dozens of extract sauces that are hotter.

When I rank Black Mamba, I am thinking along Uncle Big’s Killer, Megadeath, Insanity, Jersey Death, Da Bomb etc.. Which are respected extracts.

Philosophical differences aside, I agree with Big’s assessment: nice review Goonie!

goon,
i got my hand on a dried naga the other day and ate about 1/8 of it in one bite. although it is not an extract, i will assure you that if a suace is made of that pepper being the main pepper (come on 10), it will make you wimper. just thought i would let you know.

I have some crushed flakes and have added them to soups and a few meals and they are hotter than red savina but to me they aren’t blazing.. Then again someone who finds red savina mild is probably nuts to begin with, as I have become.

I have heard some rumors that someone is making a naga sauce puree in the works.. I know its not CaJohn.

I really await the day!! I would love to get my hands on it.

ta ta goon for now. have to go home and run.

Your heat tolerance sounds legendary!! I’ll remember not to challenge you to a pepper eating contest!!

generallee on 4/12/2007 at 6:56 pm said:

goon,
i got my hand on a dried naga the other day and ate about 1/8 of it in one bite. although it is not an extract, i will assure you that if a suace is made of that pepper being the main pepper (come on 10), it will make you wimper. just thought i would let you know.

General,
We’ve been working with the Naga for our UBK reserve for a long time now and have tried it in it’s raw form several times.
I’m wondering if you could explain the burn, not how hot, but HOW it burned. I’d be interested to hear another person’s take on it.
I can tell you this, we’re using copious amounts of the incredibly expensive Naga in my reserve, and we’ve already had one casualty (eyball+Naga=not a good atime) during it’s creation.
Whimper? Yes, it will make you whimper…and curse….and wanna slap your mamma for bringing you into the world.
I’d be interested to hear your take on how it burns.

Lately I been finding myself chewing on a few naga flakes just because I love that flavor that much.. I feel it, but it is not hot at all like I first remember trying pizza with a few of Dave’s Insanity Flakes which burnt me up bad.. lol

Gildo on 4/12/2007 at 2:08 pm said:

I have to agree here with Chris. Perhaps it should just be standard practice if using a rating scale for reviews, to not include the heat rating in the overall average? Heat is very subjective and there is no real way of accurately reporting that is is a 2/10 or a 7/10, etc., because everyone has different tolerances to heat. Even using MILD, MEDIUM, HOT, XXX HOT, etc., on bottle lables is a tough call to make. Than again, applying a rating scale to such things as a lebel and packaging is somewhat subjective as well. Just food for thought.

I personally don’t think a sauce has to have a heat factor of 10 to deam the sauce perfect.

The “most perfect” hot sauce out there could potentially only have a heat rating of lets say a seven with the rest of the overall ratings equalling a ten. Most sauces that I personally enjoy DONT have that high of a heat rating, none equal a ten to be honest. In my opinion if all other ratings, taste, appearance, aroma etc… are a 10 then you take the heat rating for what it is. MY perfect heat is by no means anothers.

I know what I’m looking for in a sauce, so when I read these reveiws, see the applications and read the opinions, I take them for what they are worth. In all honesty, if I see a sauce does indeed have a heat rating of ten, I know I probably wouldn’t want that sauce for any type of daily consumption, therefore making it, not perfect, for me. To some, unless its a ten on the heat scale, its not worth buying.

While all aspects of any product are subjective, I think the heat rating is indeed too subjective to be included in the overall rating.

I’m done rambling.

Oh wait no I”m not.

Great review Gn. Nice to see less bashing going on around here. I’m feelin the love.

kristi on 4/12/2007 at 9:27 pm said:

I personally don’t think a sauce has to have a heat factor of 10 to deam the sauce perfect.

The “most perfect” hot sauce out there could potentially only have a heat rating of lets say a seven with the rest of the overall ratings equalling a ten. Most sauces that I personally enjoy DONT have that high of a heat rating, none equal a ten to be honest. In my opinion if all other ratings, taste, appearance, aroma etc… are a 10 then you take the heat rating for what it is. MY perfect heat is by no means anothers.

I know what I’m looking for in a sauce, so when I read these reveiws, see the applications and read the opinions, I take them for what they are worth. In all honesty, if I see a sauce does indeed have a heat rating of ten, I know I probably wouldn’t want that sauce for any type of daily consumption, therefore making it, not perfect, for me. To some, unless its a ten on the heat scale, its not worth buying.

While all aspects of any product are subjective, I think the heat rating is indeed too subjective to be included in the overall rating.

I’m done rambling.

Oh wait no I”m not.

Great review Gn. Nice to see less bashing going on around here. I’m feelin the love.

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bash bash bash bash bash bash bash Ok will that cover it

Bret on 4/12/2007 at 9:53 pm said:

bash bash bash bash bash bash bash bash bash bash bash bash bash
bash bash bash bash bash bash bash Ok will that cover it

Thanks Bret, I needed to be brought down a notch. Oh wait, you forgot one, bash… Ok, now that covers it.

The dudes that make this stuf are cool! They were at FFS and stayed in the suite right next to our crappy standard room at the Sandia. But they invited us and gave us beers and food! Great jams, great packaging, and great guys!

GoonieNick on 4/12/2007 at 7:00 pm said:

I have some crushed flakes and have added them to soups and a few meals and they are hotter than red savina but to me they aren’t blazing.. Then again someone who finds red savina mild is probably nuts to begin with, as I have become.

I have heard some rumors that someone is making a naga sauce puree in the works.. I know its not CaJohn.

I really await the day!! I would love to get my hands on it.

Well Goonie, if you’re gonna come right out and say it like that, I guess you really don’t know. Market presence is really small right now because of the amount available and the price of what is. We are working on a whole line of Naga products. (Salsa, Spice Blend, Wing Sauce, BBQ Sauce, Rub and yes, Puree) We just don’t have enough to share! They are so good, maybe we won’t! Our first 50 cases of Naga puree are promised to Harald Zoschke of Pepperworld in Germany. It will replace The Legend in our line and will be called The Legacy.

From my personal taste, and I have several extract based sauces out there, I really don’t like the flavor of the extracts. If you want the burn that’s fine, but give me the natural pepper sauces over the Black Mamba syle ones anytime! But those of you who are lovin’ them, you keep me in business! Thanks!

Someone told me it wasn’t you. I know someone else though coming out with a Naga Sauce, so that is why I said it wasn’t you CaJohn.. My next review is going to be interesting…

Lee@DC on 4/12/2007 at 9:56 pm said:

The dudes that make this stuf are cool! They were at FFS and stayed in the suite right next to our crappy standard room at the Sandia. But they invited us and gave us beers and food! Great jams, great packaging, and great guys!

I still think they should have been selling those black socks they were wearing, but with their logo on them. Them were sweet!

GoonieNick on 4/12/2007 at 10:27 pm said:

Someone told me it wasn’t you. I know someone else though coming out with a Naga Sauce, so that is why I said it wasn’t you CaJohn.. My next review is going to be interesting…

Insert foot here……. Nice job

generallee on 4/12/2007 at 5:49 pm said:

i have learned that this location on the blog is not the place to be leaving those kind of comments. call me party pooper, call me whatever. the people of the “board” have voiced their opinions about off topic comments on the front page of the blog and i am abidding by it. maybe we all should so there wont be anymore person bashing.

Hmmm, I was referring to YOUR size and length comment.

GoonieNick on 4/12/2007 at 5:13 pm said:

Most organisms walking around on this earth containing the XX chromosome prefer a RATTLESNAKE vs. torque, rpm, displacement, thrust overdrive, maximum velocity, etc.

I prefer 460 hp with 430 torque, especially when it’s got a Ford label and sits in my driveway. We should be replacing the heads and cam when it FINALLY gets warm out. Hoping to break the 10 second barrier for the 1/4 mile this summer. Do I hear a Defcon Day at the track this summer???

GoonieNick on 4/12/2007 at 6:06 pm said:

Defcon Day is coming soon.. Going to have to make it for sure!! I like the Sir Yes Sir, Got me feeling all Military oriented!! Reminds me of Karate Kid..

Defcon: Fear does not exist in this wing eating contest, does it?
Student: No, Sensei.

Defcon: Pain does not exist in this wing eating contest, does it?
Student: No, Sensei.

Defcon: Defeat does not exist in this wing eating contest, does it?
Student: No, Sensei.

And I am more than glad to have you back at “The Table”.

Uncle Big on 4/12/2007 at 7:07 pm said:

General,
We’ve been working with the Naga for our UBK reserve for a long time now and have tried it in it’s raw form several times.
I’m wondering if you could explain the burn, not how hot, but HOW it burned. I’d be interested to hear another person’s take on it.
I can tell you this, we’re using copious amounts of the incredibly expensive Naga in my reserve, and we’ve already had one casualty (eyball+Naga=not a good atime) during it’s creation.
Whimper? Yes, it will make you whimper…and curse….and wanna slap your mamma for bringing you into the world.
I’d be interested to hear your take on how it burns.

hey uncle
the naga. hmmmmmmmmmmm good ol naga. what can i say? its hot, but in a different kind of hot taste/feeling. the initial reaction is intense heat, then it goes away partially quite rapidly, like 10 seconds. then you have a little shock factor come over you then a “numbing” feeling. i perspired a bit but nothing out of the ordinary. i even hickupped 2 times. it does definately have a sweeter taste than the hab’s. dont know how but it does. i am anxious to try it in a sauce. i have a quart of Campbell’s (uber human) here at work i use daily that i think i will take home and make a hot sauce with that and a naga pepper or two. maybe some vinegar and a touch of bourbon (God’s love) mabye some salt and garlic. boil it up and see what happens. will let you know. hope that helps amigo.

I love this jam on Onion Pancakes

I love this with my homemade onion pancakes