You have an audience, AND you had to toss the soup? Obviously this was very very hot. Great story. Nice sneak peek!

This site rules

Ever since I read this a couple days ago, I can’t stop thinking about how freaking hot this stuff must be. a whole pot of soup? crazy.

i thought daves insanity was hot at 51,000 units!! i have just ordered 3am sauce rated at 2million units from blair, i will let you know!!

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I have tasted The Source before (7.1 million units). After an hour of sweating, drooling, and crying I swore to never try anything like that again. After reading this, I’m tempted to try Blair’s 16 million.

I’m new to your site and am wondering if you ever tried/reviewed Red Dog Tavern’s “Armageddon Sauce”? Plenty hot, but also a great flavor. If it is still made, do you know where I can get it? I’m almost out!
Great site, BTW!

This is the silliest marketing I have ever seen. This is not a “sauce”, it is a chemical - capsaicin, widely available but not to consumers, and for a good reason. It is not used or useful for anything other than as a diluted base for other hot sauces or pepper-sprays; the human tongue cant even tell the difference between 1 and 16 million capsaicin extract!

Battery acid is cheaper, get some of that instead.

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You’ve got to be kidding me. Why would anyone in their right mind sell powdered capsaicin? This chemical has such an adverse effect on the human anatomy that it can cause a heart attack if taken in any dosage larger than what you took. It is absolutely ludacrous that anyone would provide this. It’s like handing a baby some 16 molar Hydrochloric Acid and telling it to chug it. I mean, come on people. Why not go drink some gasoline and then have someone light a match in your mouth?

That’s why it comes with so many warnings.

I bought this and I must say that it is so hot that it is not hot??? I took 7-10 crystals and put it on my tongue and it felt peppery hot but only in the spot where the crystals touched… I was disappointed,(even though that spot felt hot for an hour) then I took one drop of “The Source” and I could not feel anything… If you have ever taken “any” of “The Source” you know you how it should feel and taste I mean it should be nothing but F****** Hot!!! I swear that this stuff is so hot that it must pop the buds it touches; I could eat anything and not even have an aftertaste after these crystals… I just hope that the taste buds grow back because I miss the taste of my other hot sauces…

“But this is the hottest element known to man”

Wrong, sorry to be picky but it isn’t an element

webelements.com

if you can’t find it there it isn’t one.

And your point is? It’s not a sauce either, but it’s labeled as one

Nice well, done review. Hot stuff! As far as Lars’ request for “Armageddon Sauce” it still seems to be out there - do a Google search for it and you can find some dealers who sell it. Keep warm! Grin!

I told my friends about this stuff and no of them believe how hot it is. I would let them try some but its so freakin expensive I can’t get my hands on some. From the story I can tell I have to get this product.

I’ll bet any cocaine addict will kick it if some of this stuff found it’s way into their stash!

Can this be mixed with anythng so that it would be more user frienly for sharing, daily use and still keep the heat?

the chemical formula for capcaicin is C18H27NO3

Difference between Hot & Spicey Foods

When taking something spicey…one must start at mild, and if they like it, a lil bit more spicey would be added…

Caution: Here in the USA, (I will be honest)…when they say they like “HOT” foods, they are STUPID because they dont know the true value of a food being spicey compared to a “HOT” food that has been bought more then of a $50 hot sauce…. Something “spicey” usually is between $1 to $10 for just a plain pound of hot sauce in other countries and/or homemade, but here in the USA, they range from $10-over $100…which it is ridiculous.

Inorder to like something “hot” or “spicey”, 1 must still enjoy the taste of the actually food and not just the taste of the “Hot Sauce” (or extract)…

Quick lesson on the difference on foods being “Hot” and foods being “Spicey”…Spicey is Better and Smarter “Plain Hot” is stupid because you can’t taste the food and enjoy it

I have got to try some of this!!

I also agree with Oskar, When I go out to eat, I never eat “hot” food because it spoils the taste of what im eating… I leave the hot stuff to Fries and the like

Capsaicin
This product is a neurotoxin component of cayenne
pepper. It stimulates excitatory afferent sensory
neurons, causing hypothermia, neurogenic
inflammation, and pain. This is then followed by
subsequent desensitization.3,4 Capsaicin is the
primary irritant used in pepper spray: initial
administration causes intense pain. Prolonged
treatment causes insensitivity to painful stimuli and
induces selective degeneration of certain primary
sensory neurons.5 TLC, HPLC, and GC-MS analysis
of capsaicinoids in pepper spray have been
published.6 Capsazepine is a competitive antagonist
of this chemical (capsaicin) and resiniferatoxin.7
Capsaicin has been used in neuronal studies to
deplete Substance P.8,9 It is also listed as a nerve
growth factor that antagonizes the neurotoxic action of
capsaicinon primary sensory neurons.10

References
1. The Merck Index, 11th ed., Entry# 1767.
2. J. Indian Chem. Soc., 64, 176 (1987).
3. Holzer, Neuroscience, 24, 739 (1988).
4. Bevan, et al., TIPS, 11, 330 (1990).
5. J. Forensic Science, 27, 812 (1982).
6. Nature, 270, 741 (1977).
7. Walpole, C. S., et al., The Discovery of
Capsazepine, the First Competitive Antagonist of
the Sensory Neuron Excitants Capsaicin and
Resiniferatoxin. J. Med. Chem., 37(13), 1942-
1954 (1994).
8. Jessell, T. M., Capsaicin-induced Depletion of
Substance P from Primary Sensory Neurones,
Brain Res., 152(1), 183-188 (1978).
9. Science, 206, 481 (1979).
10. Nature, 301, 515 (1983).

I got my bottle of 16 Million Reserve yesterday. One of these days, I’ll get up enough nerve to open it.

hey guys im 19 and i love hot sauce i love spicy food and i disagree about the hot food comment i sometimes find it a challenge to see how much i can eat. I just bought some mad dog 1 million scoville unit on ebay, which by the way is a great place to look for rare sauces. if anyone has any recomendations on sauces that would be awesome thanks

A guy is going to eat some of this stuff in about an hour live on 98 KUPD radio station in Phoenix Arizona. I give him about 4 hours to live

haha yeah, i’m listening to them too. ERIC IS AN IDIOT!!! he is gonna have a heart attack, with or without vanilla ice cream!

Are you guys for real? Someone please record the taste test and send it my way!

Well now Eric is missing most his brain cells and taste buds! He’s absolutely insane!!!!

Eric had a hard time with the blair’s 16 million.. but they have pictures of it on 98kupd.com for your viewing pleasure..

They ended up having to take Eric to the hospital cause he was having breathing problems!

I was wondering about some of those A#$hole’s out there that would buy this and slip it into some unexspecting person’s dring for a gag, or maybe someone they don’t like. That’s a little dangerous don’t you think that some wack job could get their hand’s on it.

I was wondering about some of those A#$hole’s out there that would buy this and slip it into some unexspecting person’s dring for a gag, or maybe someone they don’t like. That’s a little dangerous don’t you think that some wack job could get their hand’s on it.

That is a bit scary that someone could do that, like hey this is my last day at Taco Bell I’m going to slip this stuff into everyones food. 98 KUPD posted the pics of the experiment on their website of Eric eating this stuff… check it out here: http://98kupd.com/PhotoWall.asp?id=14779

Oh yeah… it was on a $400 bet. He earned every penny of it

Hot Sauce Blog - Blair’s 16 Million Product Review

Hot Sauce Blog ? Blair’s 16 Million Product Review After racking my brain on how I could try this stuff without seriously injurying myself, I decided to mix one crystal into tomato soup. I took a can of standard condensed tomato soup, mixed with on…

Eric is a SISSY!
I just tried some. It is not that bad.

No you didnt.

Andy - the reason you find it a challenge is because you’re young and stupid. Trust me, we were all that way once. I should know, I used to do the same thing.

Eventually you grow out of it and while you appreciate the burn you get from something hot, you appreciate it more when you can actually taste your food with it.

I have downed my share of hot sauce,habanerros, jalapenos,and I love most.Once I drunkly mistakened pepper spray with breath spray (mean trick I am still going to get even for.) I thought I was going to die. half a loaf of bread almost a gallon of milk and 3 tons of ice water and it still burned. I had blue and green flames coming out of my eyes. The next morning when I woke up it still burned, blister on my lip. Considering pepper spray is made from a diluted version of Capsaicin. I wish this stuff would get banned ASAP before another mean trick comes my way. However revenge would be sweet.

What a dumb ass… Who is stupid enough to not read the lable of something they are about to squirt in their mouth; even if you are drunk. What lug…

Is this guy for real? Like OMG!!!

OMG! This stuff is pure evil in a bottle! Hell, I want some! But at $200 dollars for 1 ml?

Haha - just had a thought - you know in all the older cops vs drug runner movies where they slice the bag and taste the “product” (no, it doesn’t work)? Hehe - I’ll leave the rest to your imagination!

hmmm…
I wonder if this is the same stuff as Blair’s 16?
http://www.agscientific.com/Virtual/VirtualPages/
Item_Page_ALL_TYPES.asp?ItemCode=C1095&Item_Process_Mode=ADD

got bottle 491/999, made a beef con carne for 4 people, put the smallest bit in i could,but no change,bit more-now med-hot, then the same again as 1+2,now we are talking! just the flavour of the dish but with proper heat, absoluetly lovely.
i could not say how much i put in, but compared with the 1ml vial, the amount didnt change in the bottle.i might get some sensitive scales and do another chilli and work out the weight for a decent heat.expensive, but who cares, who else has tried it? not you!!

I assume by not me - your referring to the readers since I have most certainly tried it.

(sorry, of course you have tried it!) the only shame is spoiling the bottle by opening it.

i bought some 16 million reserve and all i have to say is “wat the Fu**” this is crazy stuff. i diluted it in one big squeezy bottle of heinz tomato ketchup. i bought some chips from the local fish and chip shop. nervously i dipped my chip and took a taste. the initial sensation was heat. plenty of it. followed b a pain. man it hurt. right now this made chilli sauce like sherbert.after a full 6 pints of milk and a bit of crying i needed the toilet. the ring of fire was so intense. trust me. this stuff is da bomb. id love to mix some in with the next doors cat food. any thoughts?

Basically the suicide of hot foods. Shooting yourself in the head would be a welcome option to this stuff. If you have one of those ‘I can eat anything ’cause I’m a tough guy’ people hanging around, I highly suggest you offer him a few pops of this stuff. Then proceed to secretly record his suffering and post it for our entertainment. Please note that this is one of the only foods available on the market that is weaponized for military use. (Unless your one of those bullet eating freaks)

Ok, so I’m ordering a bottle of 16 million AND a nice big supply of the pure stuff from ag scientific.. We’ll see whats up. I’m not really TOO scared, since I eat 6am all the damn time… But I’m a little worried about the stupid shit I’ll do with it. We don’t mess around with 6am. We make sure that people know they are trying it before giving it to anyone.

LOL, I’ll be back soon with my results.

It’s interesting to note that most negative comments here fail to understand the value of a collectible! This bottle is expensive because it is beautifully packaged, and hand signed and numbered by the manufacturer (Blair), produced in limited quantity. You wanna eat it? Go ahead, meanwhile, my collection continues to increase in value.

Well, ag scientific rejected my order because they don’t want their products used for human consumption. Meanwhile, I have a great idea for a food additive and I don’t want to ruin (as stated by the last poster) a good collectible, just for testing. Anyone know of another source for pure capsaicin?
I guess for now I will continue to make the collectible value of blair’s 6 am reserve go up for everyone else, since I’m on bottle 2 of the stuff already. I think I’m addicted to the rush…

I must say that i have had pure Capsaicin and I was sick, throwing up… the worst I’ve ever been. The flu never made me feel like this. The hottest I had previous to that was the Source… which I was duped into putting on a pretzel. I handled it well, so I took a $50 bet to eat a couple grains of capsaicin. Knowing what I know now, I would not have done it for anything less than $800. I thought I was going to have to go to the hospital. I’ve never been so violently ill in my life. Add that to the fact that for around 2 weeks, taste wasn’t a luxary I had. Use this for what it says… a collectors item, pretty bottle, etc.

I shall say hello to all my fellow chili heads. I don’t think you can ever get too hot in anything, that being said I still wouldn’t eat this product…
I just want to own a bottle for the simple pleasure of owning one (kinda like the car you never drive but love to own). And also to everyone who is worried about people putting this in someones food as a joke or a cruel prank (as someone said “That is a bit scary that someone could do that, like hey this is my last day at Taco Bell I’m going to slip this stuff into everyones food.”) I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that anyone who will plunk down 200 dollars to play a joke or get revenge has other issues… and anyone who knows about the product at all knows how serious capsaicin is and why it wouldn’t be funny.

I wanna get pulled over by a cop, have the cop search me, find a vial of 16 million, taste test it for cocaine. And get a copy of the police car video…..

Will everyone stop being such a friggin’ nerd and live a little. Yes it’s stupid, but that’s the whole point of it. Nobody is buying it for taste! Nor do we care what the formula is, or that it’s not really considered an element. WHO CARES! Buy some, put it on your tongue, give it to your friends and then laugh as everybody is on the floor drooling and tearing up. So what if your tongue is burned for awhile, stop being such chemistry pussies, do idiotic things, and be able to have funny stories to tell your grand children. Trust me … they’d rather hear about that, than what the stuff is made of.

3rd comment on these pages, i have just put $40 worth in a chicken con carne for 3 servings, the others are suffering big respect thow as they finished(with ice cream!) i am super hot but the heat is WHAT YOU WANT! dont be a pussy eat it! all these silly people worrying about it! if you put it in a can of soup it is watered down from 16 mill to less than 50000 scoville and everyone thinks that is duck water so grow up shave your chest and take out bupa cover just in case….

i can supply a sample at cost(so i am not making any money) please forward $7 for a sample in a glass jar. please do not show this if it violates any laws because i am selling but the $7 is for packing and post to any place in the world not the product, limited to 2 samples to 2 different people only paypal taken only.please realise that this is a sample for 1 person, so let the dish you use it in be very small, to realise the strength! thanks for letting me pass the expierence on if this is listed contact me 257@lycos.co.uk

I’m not sure I’d be willing to buy this, but I don’t think it’s illegal.

my family and i use “da bomb” (119,700 SU)in our meat loaf…we use only a couple drops in the sauce and we still fight for the first glass of milk….this stuff is insane..16 million SU?…i aint that darin…

i saved up my money bought a bottle of this stuff it was very cool once i got it i almost didnt want to open it so i didnt….i have a bottle of blairs mega death sauce rated at 550000 scoville units that shit was really fuckin hot so one kid at school talks alot{as someone said hes a tough guy who can take anything} so i let him have a big glob on a chip it made his eyes water and his face turn red but he overcame it so i gave him a dollar for keepin a straight face. So i brought the capsaicin to school with me. He said this cant be much hotter and he called me a pussy for not letting him try it so i gave him a speck on a plastic wrapper.He put that speck in his mouth and waited and said its not hot, but then all of a sudden his face turned red and he started cussin and goin crazy he was tryin to throw it up but he couldnt he was coughin uncontrollably me and all my friends started laughin onto the floor he started yellin its burnin my whole body i can feel it burnin in my ears this made us almost pass out from laughin. He drank a pop 3 waters and i lost count of the milks he drank he went to the locker room threw up and went home we made him swear he would tell the nurse he had an upset stomach it was worth all 50 dollars we paid him he came back the next day and said his mouth was still hot and he couldnt taste anything that had to be the fuckin funniest thing i have ever seen in my life

Sch?rfer

Ich mag Essen ja auch ganz gut gew?rzt, aber richtig scharf ist dann doch nichts f?r mich. Wer allerdings auf sowas steht, kann ja mal Blair?s 16 Million probieren. Die 16 Millionen beziehen sich auf die Einheit f?r Sch?rfe: Scoville. Normaler Tabasco hat

Dear Lord,

I need a bottle of Blairs 6am Visine to soothe the grammatical lesions developing in my eyes from reading all these buck toothed redneck scrawls….

Anyone know how to type the english language here?

I think some peoples brains have reduced to the sauces they eat…

i got a thing this stuff in the mail. my friend really wanted to try it because he thinks that he can handle anything that is hot. may he rest in peace he chugged the whole bottle and is now dead.

DAMN THIS SHIT IS HOTT!!! F**K THIS, I’LL NEVER TRY IT AGAIN, I HAD TO GO TO THE DOCTOR TO GET MY TASTEBUDS RELEIVED!!!

this is some very hot stuff, one of my friends shits none stop and is in a coma

Steve,

Judging from your typos, you’re only barely literate yourself. Back off.

In response to comment #10 by Steve Williams. Your comment about putting 7 to 8 crystals in one spot on your tongue is really highly questionable. I reckon that just 1 crystal would burn your tongue, mouth and throat out - and give you a serious medical condition, let alone 7 to 8 crystals. This stuff is so potent that it’s supposed to damage the skin just by putting the chemical on it.

This is my first visit to this blog, and I have to say that those of you that have tried the 16 mil. are nuts, but you still rock! Call me chicken, but 3AM is as high as I’ll go. I’m a collector and can’t bring myself to open things that are made in limited quantities. So, to those of you that have the balls try such things, thank you for sharing the experience as best you can and for making my collection that much more limited.

After reading all of these ridiculas stories of how hot this product is, compared to all the BS that people say that it is not hot, the only reasonable suggestion is to try it myself. Although my wife is sitting here next to me saying that “she does not think so” but we will see sooner or later. I own various bottles of hot sauces. I kinda like to collect them. I have looked up some of my bottles on these websites and found out that some of them are over 1 million SU. The ones that are over 1 million did not seem to have that much of an intensity. I read an article above about a guy and his family using Da Bomb on meat loaf. Saying that he was not daring to use Blair’s. I am in the Army, so I tend to make food for lots of people who have lived in the barracks, and “Hot” Chili seems to be mine and other soldiers favorites. I made a 12 Qt pan of Chili using 3/4 of the Da Bomb hot sauce. All of those hard charging take no shit soldiers fell to the 120,000 SU hot sauce. We love to be daring and try dumb shit so who knows……………maybe Blair’s the ultimate test?

I thought some of you might get a laugh out of this…I sure as hell did. Some guy on eBay is selling a 4AM, claims that there is nothing out there that is hotter, he opened it, used “1.5 tsp”, and wants a starting bid of $1,500.00…LMFAO…here’s a link if you want to check it out
Blair’s 4AM Ebay Auction

Wow, you couldn’t pay me to put that open bottle in my collection…

hahahaha…that guy’s insane. Starting bid of 1500 dollars for 1.5 teaspoon of 4 am. How much is the blair’s 16 million these days? Around 250 bucks, right?

16 millions are retailing anywhere between 200-300. It varies on eBay. Starting bids usually start at 99 and usually end anywhere from 150-200. There was recently an auction for numbers 1 and 999 as a set. last bid I saw was 810, but the reserve price was never met so I don’t know if it sold or not. I keep a close watch on this stuff.

The funny thing is that the open 4AM bottle on ebay is #642. I have #642 4AM that I got from Blairs site when it came out. And, Blair uses #642 on his site as a picture. But, its not the same as the OTHER 2 bottles of #642 4AM. How is there at least 3 bottles of #642 4AM out there????

Scott,

Any chance you could post a pic of that bottle? I’m just currious.

You can e-mail me at fiveohcoupe@hotmail.com and I can send you a pic of it. I have no clue how to post a pic on this site. LOL.

Cool, Nick posted all of the pics on the home page. Thanks Nick!!!!!!!

Thanks Scott, I’ve submitted an e-mail to extremefoods.com…Let’s see what they have to say about it.

Thanks to Nick too. I frequently look around for the best deals on collector sauces, and I love Blair’s sauces in particular, but things are starting to look a little sketchy…My concerns started when I visited Blair’s site, extremefoods.com, and saw that he had two of the ‘05 Halloween reserves for sale (#1 & 299) for the outrageous price of $2995 to go up to $3995 after Thanksgiving. Blair did a presale on this reserve (as he does all new reserves) and when it was posted on his site it was “sold out”. Then the 1 and 299 show up (now sold to some guy in the UK)…how many times is it going to be sold out? Then there’s this 4am deal. We all know about that one now (awaiting word from Blair’s). Now he’s released his “lemillion” reserve for Le Gourmet Chef. I ordered 1 and am waiting for it to arrive. Odd thing is, you’d think that if the other reserves Blair has created recently have “sold out” in a matter of minutes, how is it that Le Gourmet Chef is able to continue selling them?…days after it was put on the market, and only “999 produced”…I’m not generally paranoid, but I find this all very disturbing

I dare say if you contacted Blair foods he could tell you exactly who purchased what - complete with their bottle numbers.
I have 2 jars of 16mill and still have ALL packaging and confirmation letter. If I was buying something over $200 on ebay, I would need proof that I was getting geniune stuff.
And no - I havent tried it. The hottest sauce I have ever actually tasted was Daves Insanity - and that was plenty hot enough thanks.
My last point is how taste heat is percieved by the body. Does a sauce that is 1,000,000 SU actually taste twice as hot as one that is 500,000? Or does heat increase on a logarithmic scale for example? In other words, a sauce of 1,000,000 would only be percieved as twice as hot as one that is 100,000 SU.
Of course, its all academic really as its original purpose of being a food additive has been lost and has now become a pure collectors item. And thats why I am keeping mine “mint”.

Amen…that’s all I have to say

Exactly….. it’d be interesting to find out the relationship between perceived heat and the concentration of capsaicin…and maybe volume ingested. Like, if somebody reckons that something like dave’s insanity sauce isn’t hot enough for them, then I’m wondering if it’d be hot enough for them if they down a mouthful into their mouth….straight from the bottle….and then give the mouthful a good swish and good gargle for a couple of minutes …. to get that capsaicin working real good.

Like…if the effect of the hotness is accumulative, then swishing enough of it around in the mouth should do the trick maybe.

I can eat Daves insanity sauce pretty regularly with out getting really hot. But, I have tried the swishing in my mouth thing and it does get quite hot after a while. Kinda sneaks up on ya.

I did say that the hottest sauce I had ever tasted was Daves Insanity. Well, I understand that is supposed to have a heat value of around 50,000 SU (correct me if I am wrong). I have another bottle of sauce called “Who dares burns”. I have read that is “supposed” to be rated at 1,000,000 SU, but in my opinion Daves is hotter. So am I wrong or are the figures wrong? Daves is definately hotter in my tasting. Who tests them to get the SU figures? If was an independant test, then I would believe the results, but if they are produced by the manufactureres themselves, then who is to say. If we believed what the top speed was of a car was only on manufactures figures then we would all be driving round in BMW 320’s that could do 300kph. Get my point? I dont think all hot sauce manufacturers are telling us the total truth!
Anybody who claims they can “swish” neat Insanity sauce around in their mouth without feeling pain cannot be playing with a full pack. Madness.

I think there is a limit to what your taste buds can feel. Ive tasted 1 million sauce by itself, tasted like crap but it really didnt feel much hotter than daves insanity or mega death. Also I think it depends on how long you have been eating sauces. You get used to the heat and have to go up in the heat range to get the same burn. Ahhhhhhh, the burn.

It would be interesting to see if there’s an equivalence thing, where something like 3 drops of sauce X can give a similar fire-alarm effect as 1 drop of sauce Y … etc. In the end, it’s probably all about the quantity of capsaicin in the drop, and how efficiently the capsaicin gets distributed around to the pain receptors. Like the lower the concentration of capsaicin, the bigger the quantity needed…as long as the concentrations between the sauces being compared are high enough in concentration already.

The heat factor is all about the concentration of capsaicin. Kinda like lemonade…if you have a glass of lemonade, and another glass of equal volume, but half lemonade and halfe water, the first glass is going to be far more sour than the second…then there’s straight lemon juice. In that case it’s a concentration of citric acid. Same goes for hot sauces. There’s all kinds of crap in hot sauces, but what determines the heat is the ratio between the capsaicin and everything else in it. That can be determined if the chilis used are deseeded and/or deveined, if the whole chili is plopped in, or if only the seeds and veins are used. I have a couple recipies that I’ve conjured up and experimented with. the parts of the chili that are used make a significant difference in the heat (as well as what kind of chili).

Is chilli pain a cumulative effect right? As in…does the capsaicin bind with pain receptors in the mouth rather than interact with the taste buds themselves? This means, it might be different to the way that we taste food. With food, we just get the flavour and that’s it. But with capsaicin, it interacts with pain receptors and stays there and won’t go away for quite a long time. And the more capsaicin we pass over the pain receptors, the more receptors it binds to. So concentration and quantity is important.

See comment #63.
Ditto.
Also, carefull what you guys say about that guy with the opened 4AM, he might live out in a hicksville town, but he does have internet access and could be reading these comments. Ever see “Deliverence”? Can you squeal like a pig?

LOL, I tried e-mailing him several times but no answer. It would be cool to have 2 #642 4AM’s in my collection. I dont think we will ever know who has the third one in Blair’s pic.

Let’s hope that Blair just happened to take a picture of the same bottle #642 you now have, and just uses that picture. As for the guy on e-bay, that is so bizzare - but anybody can write a number on the side of a bottle with a metallic marker, if you know what I mean. Hope this turns out okay for you, as I own a few of these collectables myself (no 4AM though).

Kurt,

We copared the pictures of all three 4AM #642s and looking at the way the resin solidified on them, all three are different.

compared* Sorry for the typo, I know some of you out there are very critical of such things.

Yes…luckily you corrected yourself quickly enough there Ryan. We would have pounced on that one real good.

Yikes, Ryan! That is definitely disturbing. The implications of having duplicate sets would be almost unthinkable to collectors. I still hope there is a reasonable explanation.

Actually I ended up here originally while doing some research on the subject of the perceived hottness of sauces VS extracts. Many people are saying similar things about the lower rated sauces tasting hotter than extracts with much higher SU ratings. I was trying to find some support for my own personal theory about this, but only seem to run into more questions. But I do have some information that may help clear up some of the mystery with this.
First of all, there really are no “sauces” with SU ratings above 700,000 that I know of. Extracts seem to start at 500,000 (Pure-Cap) and to go all the way to 16,000,000 (6AM). Sauces are water-based. Extracts are actually oil-based, and capsaicin itself does not dissolve in water significantly, but in oil.
I started setting up some experiments to try and compare the hottness of various sauces like “Da Bomb BI” and “Mad Dog 357″ by diluting 1/8tsp of sauce in 1/4cup water. This is about a 100:1 dilution which allows tasting a drop on the tongue without saturating the pain receptors so you can really tell which is hotter and also taste it to some extent. Then I got to the “Pure-Cap” (500,000 SU) and “Mad Dog’s Revenge” (1,000,000 SU). These are oils, and will not dissolve in water, so I used vegetable oil. This is where I got a big surprise. I put a drop of the 100:1 diluted MD revenge on my tongue (which should be 10,000 SU or about 4X as hot as Tobasco sauce) and could hardly even tell it was anything but plain vegetable oil! By using my front teeth to squish this into my taste buds, I could eventually feel the heat a bit, but nowhere near 10,000 SU, more like 1,000 (very subjective guess). My first inclination was to think “these extracts are crap, they must be lying about the SU rating”! But now I don’t think so.
To make this long story reasonably short - Hot sauce manufacturers know that extracts don’t mix with their water-based sauces, so they use an additive known as an emulsifier (similar to soap), which causes the extract to suspend in the sauce as millions of tiny droplets. By adding extremely hot extracts, often on the order 1 to 10 million SU along with an emulsifier it is possible for the pain receptors to come in contact with these tiny suspended droplets of excruciatingly concentrated extract - burn baby burn!
In order to try and prove this to myself, I purchased a small bottle of a common food emulsifier known as “tween 80″ and used it to force the 1/8 tsp of MD revenge to suspend in water instead of vegetable oil and bingo - it did seem about 4x as hot as Tobasco! So, that’s my theory for what it’s worth. Time for bed.

[...] It’s called “Blair’s 16 Million Reserve” and it’s pure capsaicin and nothing else. This is the devil’s own food. There’s a great review of it here: http://www.hotsauceblog.com/…. [...]

Ok, I don’t know if I got a bad batch or what (if that’s possible)… but I first tried dissolving a crystal in a 10.75oz “Soup at Hand”. It was spicy, nothing crazy though. Eventually I tried it on my tongue… four times infact… it was pretty hot, but I’ve had much hotter. How big are the crystals supposed to be? Mine were more like tiny flakes, clumped up to form a round “crystal”. Any opinions?

Maybe you got a dud batch or something. I guess you can test your tongue to see if it’s working properly by putting a drop of Blair’s 6 AM on your tongue.

And if your tongue reckons that Blair’s 6 AM is hot, but not that hot, then I think maybe your taste buds are done for.

you got a review on Demon Ichor?

The hardest thing is to open the bottle. Perhaps there’s some simpler way to peel off the wax. I seem to always knock the skull off of the screw.

I enjoy the Blair’s 4 a.m.; I use a toothpick to move a drop into soup or chilli.

I have some Tabasco brand pepper sauce (I don’t use it; it’s for company.) For more heat, I have Blair’s After Death sauce (with chipotle).

I also enjoy Melinda’s XXXXtra Reserve Sauce [Ingredients: Habañero pepper, carrots, onions, lime juice,vinegar, garlic, salt). This is very flavorful, and I like the heat level.

Another sauce I use is Batch #37 Hot Sauce, Garlic Style (carrots, peppers, water, vinegar…) which is less hot, but quite tasty.

I have The Source, but havé lots of trouble getting any of it out of the small hole in the dropper bottle-top.

I also have Blair’s 6a.m. (unopened; I’ll open it if/when I finish all of my 4a.m.)

Finally, I have Blair’s 16 Million Reserve. It seemed a bit easier to chip off the wax than the 4am (I tried putting the wax in very hot water to soften it). I removed and discarded the filler. I took out the small vial and looked at the crystals through the side. I tightened the cap to keep any crystals from coming out. Looks good!

I plan on using this food additive to make some hot sauce for the use of myself and friends. I already have enough existing hot sauce and extracts to take care of anybody who needs something HOT–the 4am is plenty.

I don’t *collect* these items; I get ‘em to enjoy them with food.

As I’m still quite sensitive, a little bit goes a long way for me.

Salsas super picantes; la escala Scoville

Un botecito de la Blair’s 16 Million Leyendo un art?culo de este s?bado en el peri?dico donde hablaban de la escala Scoville record? algunas de las clases de la Universidad donde nos contaron en qu? consist?a y me he…

i tryed this and my tounge hurt almost all day but it was well worth it by the way guy who did the pepperspreay L()L sucks to be u

Can something even be 16 million units?

Ula (1996), op. cit. “The HPLC measures the capsaicinoid(s) in ppm, which can then be converted to Scoville units using a conversion factor of 15, 20 or 30 depending on the capsaicinoid.” This would make capsaicin 15,000,000
http://www.zarc.com/english/cap-stun/tech_info/oc/hplc.html Method 21.1 High Pressure Liquid Chromatography (HPLC)] Manufacturer’s website, describes procedure for measuring capsaicin strength and converting to Scoville units by “assuming” pure capsaicin = 15,000,000 Scoville

anybody bother to read this?

thakswet on 4/13/2006 at 9:40 pm said:

anybody bother to read this?

Do you always have to be negative? This is just one site - there are 100’s more (and books even) that say otherwise. I don’t think Blair would add 1,000,000 just to “pad his numbers.”

if I am reading that correctly pure capsaicin is 15,000,000 scoville. or at least they assume it to be 15,000,000. so it may be possible for something to be 16 million, if the assumption is off. we can always have blair tell us how he got the 16 million reading I guess

just wanted to start a conversation… not being negative.

thakswet on 4/13/2006 at 9:53 pm said:

just wanted to start a conversation… not being negative.

It is a reasonable question Thak! I’m confident that there is a reasonable answer too.

Found the thread

As I understand it… you can have something that measures 16,000,000 SHU. HPLC measures parts per million and so that, by definition, is topped out at 1 million. Where the range comes in, is in defining the conversion of ppm to Scoville. It is generally, but not universally (as with everything else in this industry!!) accepted that human perception of heat starts at 15 to 16 Scoville units. In trying to compress the Scoville scale to ppm you take the base unit (15 or 16) and you find that the top end (as converted from ppm) would then be 15 mil or 16 mil. Make sense? If it were generally agreed that the human perception started at 20 (being the Scoville equivalent of ‘0′) then the top would be 20 mil if converted to ppm. This also implies then that the human perception threshold is 1 ppm for capsaicin.

Of course, this could also all be nonesense